Tom Brady private signing prices - WOW!

[JimStinson]

The players "Obligation" is to deliver touchdown passes....He has no obligation to kiss anyones arse or to produce free autographs on demand. As a "fan" if you would like something for "free" send a letter to "COORS" or Budweiser or whomever sponsers the game and tell them since you like their product you DESERVE a free sample .....and if you don;t like their answer CHANGE TEAMS or stop watching...simple stuff.
If you don;t watch the Patriots they would not be able to pay him and then he would be standing by the side of the road with a sign that reads "WILL THROW TOUCHDOWN PASSES FOR FOOD".....come on man

[David Atkatz]

You "come on man," Jim. An autograph should not be--and for most of the time that people have collected autographs wasn't--a "product." It was given away gratis for various reasons--a thank you, or perhaps it just made the giver happy to make a fan--most often a child--happy.

Perhaps you have lost sight of where most of the autographs you sell originally came from.

(If all those old-time ballplayers and boxers only sold their autographs, there wouldn't be enough "stock" in existence today for you to make a living. Be glad they never considered autographs "product.")

[JimStinson]

My FRIEND...when I did private signings I ALWAYS paid the person to sign.. Always. I did not tell them they owed it to their fans
In fact I offered Actor MARLON BRANDO ........ONE MILLION , YES ONE MILLION dollars to do a private signing and he refused. Not an idle offer was done through an attorney and all that and he said NO......
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Buying and selling vintage autographs for over three decades
19th century and dead ball era my specialty
jim@stinsonsports.com

[David Atkatz]

That's fine, Jim. (My friend, too.) But I would argue that a good portion of your income comes from the sale of the autographs of athletes, actors, and historical persons who NEVER sold an autograph, never held a private signing, and were probably dead before you were born.

[Hankphenom]

Instead of focusing on autographs, why don't we ask players to play for a lot less (say a max of $100,000 a year) so the ticket prices could be a lot lower? That would strike most people as absurd, wouldn't it? It's the same for autographs, endorsements, and all the other ways players make money. Why should they take less than the market will give them? It doesn't make any sense. And when autographs were free, how many fans had a chance to get one? Now all you have to do is fork over the price, and you can meet your guy and then frame that baby and put it on your office wall for you and everyone else to enjoy. I'm just not getting the resistance here. Every show I do, I see fans lining up excitedly to get their favorites' autograph. Most of them seem absolutely thrilled to be able to do so, and they've paid it so clearly they're OK with the cost to be able to do that. I sure wish my plumber would go back to the good old days and take care of my problems for $10 an hour. Or how about a free unclogging once in a while? He's done really well by me and his other customers. Why won't he just give something back to us for all that? The fact is he doesn't owe me anything, and neither does Tom Brady.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

And when autographs were free, how many fans had a chance to get one?

Quite a few, I'd wager based on the evidence--the surviving numbers. What percentage of the autographs given to kids--for free, so that they never were assigned a monetary value--have survived? I don't know, of course, but based on the numbers of baseball cards that have survived, it ain't all that great.
And, in those days, if you weren't able to meet a player before or after a game, you could always write to his home. Almost all were happy to oblige.

[Cfern023]

Originally Posted by JimStinson

The players "Obligation" is to deliver touchdown passes....He has no obligation to kiss anyones arse or to produce free autographs on demand. As a "fan" if you would like something for "free" send a letter to "COORS" or Budweiser or whomever sponsers the game and tell them since you like their product you DESERVE a free sample .....and if you don;t like their answer CHANGE TEAMS or stop watching...simple stuff.
If you don;t watch the Patriots they would not be able to pay him and then he would be standing by the side of the road with a sign that reads "WILL THROW TOUCHDOWN PASSES FOR FOOD".....come on man

Jim,

Don't give into the David's rants. Just ignore him like you would the homeless man at the urinal beside you.

If you make eye contact, he'll think it's okay to engage you.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Cfern023

Jim,

Don't give into the David's rants. Just ignore him like you would the homeless man at the urinal beside you.

If you make eye contact, he'll think it's okay to engage you.

Why don't you mind your own business? For your information, I've been a long-time customer of Jim's, and would consider him a friend. (As I hope he does, me.)
Friends can argue--happens all the time.
(Although it would be a lot more fun if we were face-to-face over a pizza and a few beers.)

[JimStinson]

David yes you ARE a friend and along time customer ....and I appreciate your opinion BUT in order for things to be as we wish they were so ...we would need a "TIME MACHINE" which to my knowlege neither one of us owns
Cheers
JIM STINSON SPORTS

[David Atkatz]

True enough, Jim. But I do my best to live in that past--at least as far as my collecting is concerned. I don't collect contemporary autographs. In my mind, I'm still that kid hanging outside the player's entrance at Yankee Stadium after a game, and writing to players--and deceased players' wives--after coming home from the game.

[JimStinson]

me 2 ....but it ain;t so anymore

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

True enough, Jim. But I do my best to live in that past--at least as far as my collecting is concerned. I don't collect contemporary autographs. In my mind, I'm still that kid hanging outside the player's entrance at Yankee Stadium after a game, and writing to players--and deceased players' wives--after coming home from the game.

Out of curiousity, what were the sources for addresses "back in the day"?

Mike

[HOFAUTOS]

Originally Posted by thenavarro

Out of curiousity, what were the sources for addresses "back in the day"?

Mike

I know Jack Smalling has been producing address lists for a VERY VERY long time.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by thenavarro

Out of curiousity, what were the sources for addresses "back in the day"?

Mike

A friend of mine back then in the Bronx--and the guy who piqued my interest in collecting vintage material--was Harvey Meiselman. I got all my addresses from him.
He's producing--and selling--address lists to this day.

http://www.sportsaddresslists.com/

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

True enough, Jim. But I do my best to live in that past--at least as far as my collecting is concerned. I don't collect contemporary autographs. In my mind, I'm still that kid hanging outside the player's entrance at Yankee Stadium after a game, and writing to players--and deceased players' wives--after coming home from the game.

To paraphrase you from another thread,

"Guess what, David? It ain't your father's America no more.

Get used to it."


Sorry, couldn't resist.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

To paraphrase you from another thread,

"Guess what, David? It ain't your father's America no more.

Get used to it."


Sorry, couldn't resist.

You got me there, Steve. Touche.

[Cfern023]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Why don't you mind your own business? For your information, I've been a long-time customer of Jim's, and would consider him a friend. (As I hope he does, me.)
Friends can argue--happens all the time.
(Although it would be a lot more fun if we were face-to-face over a pizza and a few beers.)

You would like me to mind my own business? Take it to a PM.

[David Atkatz]

Perhaps what you should have done in the first place.

[JimStinson]

what is a "PM" ? this entire thread is summed up here in 3 seconds ..lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JFfN5pKzFU

[JimStinson]

Sorry but can't resist as I am a lifelong Dolphins fan........SEPERATED AT BIRTH