Baseball team Maroons photos 1915

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Posted By: marshall barkman

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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley

Of the names that I can read, the only one on the picture that played in the major leagues was Gus Dorner (the Manager). Still, a pretty neat piece. What is the size? Cahmbersburg fielded a team from 1915-1930, although there was no team in 1918 & 1919 (likely because of WWI). They were part of the Blue Ridge League, fairly low in the strata of Minor League teams of the day (Class D).
-Rhett

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Posted By: marshall barkman

In the book i have that it states the Maroons were only considered a professional team in 1915. I believe the Pirates were backing the team.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Your book is wrong Marshall. Chamberburg had a team called the Maroons from 1915-17 and 1920-28 and they had no organizational backing. The photo is pretty sweet...thanks for posting it.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

The book i have lists every player to ever play in a Major League game and then also lists teams. It has Chambersburg only listed 1915.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

What book are you looking at? The Society of American Baseball Research differs with your book greatly.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

Dan...i am not at the house. The book is really thick and i use it to identify obscure ballplayers who played from 1888 to 1930. Also i might add that the Chambersburg high school started with the name Maroons in 1916 so i'll have to ask my baseball guru buddy of his knowledge about this. I bought another photo today which is supposed to be in front of the Johnstown school, i think it is probably teens to twenties. The photo is of kids but it is still cool.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Great photo, Marshall, thanks for posting it!!!

And let us know the name of the book, please sir.


In my Johnson & Wolff book, The Encyclopedia of Minor League Baseball, they list Chambersburg as having a team in the Blue Ridge League 1915-1917, 1920-1930.


In the SABR minor league database they show a Keiffer, a Snyder, and a Stewart on the 1915 team. I think 1915 is correct. Great find.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

I think definitely 1915...and SABR could probably use the names of the guys on that photo because they don't have all of them.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

The photo has 1915 on it bottom right under the Chambersburg Maroons. I bought it because some of the players look way serious. I like photos with famous Major Leaguers but sometimes they can be bland from a photography aspect. This photo in person has a very dark aura and i believe some of these guys probably played turn of the century ball where the spikes were flying.

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Posted By: J Levine

Finally...vintage baseball...this is a great piece Marshall. Very clear photo and the players do have a rather serious look. Is that a vintage frame as well or has it been remounted?

Joshua

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Posted By: marshall barkman

Everything is period. The photo or backing nas never been removed.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Very nice photo Marshall, and definitely period. Thanks for posting.

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Posted By: jay wolt

Nice pickup!
Always good to see a local team unearthed
Chambersburg is about 30 miles away from me

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Posted By: marshall barkman

I wonder what the value of the photo is? I would like to know what some of you guys would have paid for an item like this at a public auction. I'm a sucker for photos so i probably paid to much.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

Dan...the book is 1990 Encyclopedia of Baseball. Perhaps the newer editions have more info.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

What's the size of the photo? That could help determine what it's worth...there's no one on the photo that is especially famous. Obviously it would be worth more to someone local. If it were to fit my collection (ie it were from Nebraska) I would pay up to $200 for that.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Goodness gracious... baseball in Nebraska. What is this world coming to??

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Posted By: marshall barkman

The size is 9X20 which i think is large.

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Posted By: Max Weder

Marshall

That's a good size photo, and could easily go for $200 to the right collector. Dan is right about finding the collector with the local interest to up the value. As with Dan, my major interest of collecting, whether cards, photos or other memorabilia, is focused on Vancouver (where I live now) and Saskatoon (where I grew up, and believe it or not, where they played professional baseball 1910-1920)

Max

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Posted By: marshall barkman

Dan...i would spend 200 dollars on a steak and bottle of wine(lol). The photo cost me more and your bid card would have never went up at the auction but thanks for the response. The piece opened for higher than that because of several left bids, i think the size is what makes it valueable. For me it is just the glare on some of the faces and the fact the piece is haunting in nature, it looks cool on the wall.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Marshall, if you bought it anywhere near Chambersburg then I don't doubt it could sell for more than $200. I've purchased similar photos for less and sometimes I've paid more. Photos can be tricky to try and value. I once paid $250 for a framed 1929 Philadelphia A's panorama at a local auction....and I've also paid $900 for a 42" panorama of the 1911 Lincoln minor league team. I paid $80 for a 25" panorama of the 1912 Madison Giants (Nebraska Independent League) on ebay.

The most important thing is that you like it. If you're happy with what you paid for it then you did good. Some of these photos do have a haunting quality which I also like in a photo.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

Dan....you stole the one photo for 80.00 so congrats on that score. I think you like indian photos to and i own some of the rarest on the planet. I know some of these board members think i'm crazy and talk smack but over time they will learn that i'm the real deal and do not lie about items i own. Check out these photos bro and they are Dakota Territory which makes them prior to 1889. Once again it's all about BRINGING THE NOISE.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Nice cabinets Marshall. Do you have any 19th century baseball cabinet photos?

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Posted By: marshall barkman

Yes but they are in a vault several states away. I'll probably never part with those, however on the Indian photos i'm going to sell them. I have 11 total and i'm currently listening to offers.

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Posted By: John

"I think you like indian photos to and i own some of the rarest on the planet."

Really Marshall as an avid CDV and photo collector I wasn't aware that these D.F. Barry shots of indians were all that rare?

Some are scarce but rare is a big jump.

I would love to see some truly rare stuff post away.

I would also say around 200-300 bucks on the above baseball photo.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Yeah, the indian photos by Barry are not that rare, but they do bring big money...The two that Marshall pictured are not in very good shape though.

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Posted By: John

Dan I agree. But I wouldn't say big money a year back or so it wasn't odd to see more obscure images and poses pull 1k to 1.5k each for really good shape ones. But as of late even really top quality ones are having a hard time getting even 600-900 opening bids.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

John... you are off my man. The Barry cabinets you are looking at are ones when he relocated to Wisconsin. The one i have pictured is Dakota Territory and also marked Bismark. It is very rare. Show me another one.

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Posted By: John

Here's a few for starters...

http://cgi.ebay.com/LOW-DOG-by-D-F-Barry-Lakota-Indian-Custer-Bighorn_W0QQitemZ330300650149QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAr t_Photo_Images?hash=item330300650149&_trksid=p3286 .c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A3%7C39%3A1%7C240%3 A1318

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/df-barry-cabinet-card-chief-joseph-0

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/df-barry-cabinet-card-curley-1

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/2635620

Marshall really dont think I'm that off, rare is a pretty big word tossed around way to much in this world. The 2 above are nice items a little rough but nice. But my point is they are around and not impossible to find the above took me less than 30 seconds to find. When dozens upon dozens of items come up over years that's not rare Marshall that's scarce at best.

You may bring the noise but I'm just brining you a little reality that's all...no need to over inflate items you have the above CDV's are nice enough.

John

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Posted By: John

Marshall not only rare but I quote.."i own some of the rarest on the planet"...and to that I say really?

Love to see them.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

I'm not trying to overinflate the photos. The indians you are looking at are more common. Just like in baseball cards some are more scarce than others. I think the cabinets are worth somewhere between 500 and 1500 and 3000 for the rarer ones.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

I don't think you can find another Running Antelope and also Big Deer. If you do my hat is off. These cabinets are very rare and i have not seen another Sitting Bull with a peace pipe.

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Posted By: John

Marshall there are plenty of Sitting Bull images featuring the peace pipe above. As I'm sure on Running Antelope as well....

Many of these images were used over and over and cropped many ways so all of them have a bit of a different feel.


However there are plenty of them yours are not the only ones see below right from the LOC, just type in Sitting Bull look familiar?


http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pp/mdbquery.html


This doesnt even count the countless images of Native Americans held in private collections.

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Posted By: John

Wis. but still an image...

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

I think Marshall should post a pic of a Chief Joseph cabinet and then say "I will post no more, forever."

-Ryan

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Posted By: David McDonald

Careful, Ryan. Navy SEALS have been dispatched to Boulder. Hilarity to ensue.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

John...the Running Antelope is Superior Wisconsin and i think the one i have is is likely to be one of the first ones made. I was not able to find the Sitting Bull so you get much deserved props. Maybe my cabinets are not the rarest ones on the planet but they are still hard to find. I'm glad you shared the information because all i could find months ago when i researched them was Cowan's auction results.

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Posted By: Rhys

Not to beat a dead horse, but Dan is right about the value of your Chambersburg piece and just because you paid more for it than the FMV, does not make it worth that on the open market. I have owned several Chambersburg photos as well as literally thousands of minor league photos from this area (player and teams) which are earlier and nicer than yours as well as hundreds of other minor league cabinets and team photos and if your photo brought more than $200 in an auction I would be shocked. If it is worth more than that to you, that is great and there is nothing wrong with buying what you like, but this is an area where I can asure you that I have more experience than you and it is about a $200 photo or less.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

Rhys....or whatever your username is. You remind me of like the guy who always states "i don't mean to be rude" and then he goes ahead and is rude. If you don't mean to beat a dead horse then why beat it? I'm not really concerned about your opinion on the photo because anyone that can spell horse understands most minor league team photos fetch between 50 and 200 dollars if they have size to them. What makes a photo great is the aura not just the players. You remind me of like this suedo art guy i know who runs to Askart or Davenport to figure out art values and then stands around dumbfounded when a painting sells for 50,000 when the previous highest listing was 15,000.







I was not disagreeing with Dan on the value. All i said was that he would not have got his bid card up on this particular piece. I'm sure he has paid more than fair market value for items that he wanted as we all do. All antiques are subjective and here is a prime example. A friend of mine bought a Abraham Lincoln signed log-book that came from a ball he attended in DC, also their was over 100 other autographs in the book that consisted of Sam Houston,Dolly Madison and so on. He bought the book at Bonham & Butterfields which is a major auction house in San Fran Ca for 5,500. He held the book for 6 months and then ran it here in Pa at a small auction house called Pa onsite and it brought 33,000 plus 15% buyer premium.







I have never claimed to be a expert on baseball items but i do have enough knowledge to be dangerous if the right items are up for sale.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

I have owned several Chambersburg photos as well as literally thousands of minor league photos from this area (player and teams) which are earlier and nicer than yours as well as hundreds of other minor league cabinets and.....



Bro i know all the major collectors in this area and photos are tough to come by. The only thing that is plentiful is Nellie fox items. Hershey, Harrisburg and bigger cities i have seen but that is it.



Your remark on owning 1000's of photos is retarded. In my 3 years of attending auctions in this region i have seen 2 baseball photos from estates, none in antique shops and only a handful in private collections.



Since you have 1000's then just show me say 10 photos of the Maroons from the 1915-1925 time period that you own.

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Posted By: Steve F

You say repeatedly, that you don't take things seriously here yet, continue to be a horse's ass. Don't stomp your feet and whine if Another knows more than you about a subject. If you can't take it, then pick up your Cowboys and Indians and go home.

I can't believe people here continue to help this ingrate.

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Posted By: John

Marshall I have lived in PA for many years Rhys is correct there are pleanty of small minor league images around. From large to small to PC etc.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

Steve...man bro you must be having a tough month so go change the rag my man. I'm not whining or complaining, actually your post did wonders for the all time whiner award. I believe if you scroll up i was talking to Dan about the photo and then showed him some cabinet cards which was no big deal. As usual per this board here comes the bored stiffs that are miserable and they love to feel as if they are part of a group so most chime in with critical and personal remarks which i do not take serious.

You should change your emoticon to Bring the Tampax.

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Posted By: marshall barkman

John...i'm not doubting what you say but i never see them. One thing is for sure there is not thousands. I'm only talking about the Chambersburg,Greencastle,Carlisle area. I'm sure Western Pa towards Pittsburgh there may be alot. There is about 10 antique stores i visit once a week and i never see anyhting old baseball not just photos. What i do see is alot of Civil War GAR photos.

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Posted By: leon

Please try to be more civil on the board. I understand the whole deal. You don't need to tell me you are only defending yourself etc etc...I got it...All I am asking is that you try to get along a little better...take care and......thanks

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Posted By: marshall barkman

Leon... a guy calls me a horse's ass and a ingrate so what do you expect. If your gonna throw the flag for flagrant foul then at least grab both parties.

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Posted By: Steve F

Jeez, ya didn't have to rat me out!.. Okay, Marshall, I apologize for calling you an ingrate.

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Posted By: leon

As I said, I understand. You need to remember we consider each other a family on Net54. A dysfunctional one maybe, but a family nonetheless. So, if you attack someone, or call someone that is well respected, like Rhys, a retard.....then realize others will come to their defense. I consider everyone on the board a friend, including you, so please do me this small favor....thanks man!!