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Old 01-14-2009, 10:39 AM
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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Of the known dates of deaths of the players pictured on the Old Judge cards (estimate 70% of all players births and deaths are known) only two players lived in to the 1960's. Who was the last player to say "I was pictured in the Old Judge set"? and who was second to last?

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Old 01-14-2009, 10:49 AM
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Hoy

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Old 01-14-2009, 10:56 AM
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Hoy is correct Fred. Do you know who the other player was that lived in to the 1960s?

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Old 01-14-2009, 10:57 AM
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Dan--That's a trick question. Hoy couldn't say anything.

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HA! I hadn't even thought of that.

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George Winkleman -

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Fred WINS! Now he has to contribute an OJ Trivia question.

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Here's an easy one. Which player depicted on an OJ died at the youngest age?

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Art Whitney's dog!

No...he wasn't a player.

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Im just guessing but I think its John Weyhing,he was only 20

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Old 01-14-2009, 12:40 PM
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I think John is right with John Weyhing. On a related note, Alex McKinnon may have already been dead by the time his 1887 Old Judge card was distributed. He passed away in July of 1887.

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I think McKinnon was about 30 when he died.

Honorable mention to Ferguson at 27.

Your turn John!

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Weyhing was only 20,Im sure of it. 1869-1890. Don't know for sure if hes the right answer but I am at work right now so its hard to check

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Im guessing by Fred's change that my answer was right so I'll say

who was the youngest player from the set to appear in the majors?

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Bill Bishop?

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Correct Dan,your turn again

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This player only played three major league seasons (1889-1891)...all three seasons in Boston and all three in a different league. Who is he?

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Bill Daley

can someone else ask the enxt question,im supposed to be working at a busy restaurant right now happy.gif

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You are good!

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Ok,I got a sec.

Which player from the set played the most recently(or furthest date from the set,whichever way you want to say it)

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Hmmm...without looking I'll say Arlie Latham?

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John--In the majors or just in professional baseball? Jim O'Rourke and Lave Cross both played until at least 1912.

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Just in the majors,believe it or not Jay it was after 1912

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Clark Griffith

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Griffith is right!

How about which player was related to a US President? A hint,he was the star in the book written by one of the board members called A Card's Life. happy.gif

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great thread!
How did Mckinnon die? Whats Winklelman's autograph worth? I like Arlie Latham cause he bridges the gap between old Judge and tobacco (along with Clark Griffith)

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Connie Mack happy.gif

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Darn it... I go away after my last edit and look at all the good questions that came up! Yes John, you were right. For some reason or other I thought Weyhing was much older until I double checked the answer. Now back to you Alec.... The double jeopardy categories are:

Players depicted in OJs born in another country

Players depicted in OJs that died in the 1800s

Players depicted in OJs that....

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McKinnon died of typhoid fever mid-season 1887,shortly after his card was released. Pictures for the 1887 Pirates team set were probably taken early-May because Jim McCormick isnt pictured with the team(Chicago uni),he started playing for them May 13th that year, and neither is Ed Beecher who joined the team in late June but Bill Bishop is on the team and he was gone by Mid-June



The old judge set and t206 set both include Latham,Duffy,Griffith,Beckley and William Hart.



Connie Mack is not the right answer,sorry

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sorry, Mack wasnt the answer to your question, I forgot to put him in my list of players that bridges that gap. I didnt know about Hart being in both sets!

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Elmer Cleveland!

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Why does Charlie Bennett have only one pose, and it's with Boston (not a trivia question, but a factual one)?

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Barry,

Sort of odd that such a massive star in Detroit as Bennett did not have a Detroit card.

One of my HOF moments in collecting came around because of Charlie Bennet.

As people know...I collect Phillies. As a result, I also collect the Ruby Legs who, in a very roundabout and convuluted way, became the Phillies. Bennett played for the Ruby Legs.

About 10 years ago, I stopped into the HOF for one of the inductions(Winfield, et. al.) and was wandering around the museum. One of the display pieces showed a very nice pocket watch and credited it with belonging to Kid Nichols. If I recall the watch face was inscribed with Bennett's name. I asked a docent if the watch was Nichols or Bennetts...off to the archives I went. With a bit of talking and begging, I found my way into the basement we finally found the donation record. The watch was indeed Nichols' watch...Apparently Charlie Bennett gave Kid the watch. Nichols kept it and used it as his own. The donor thought that the watch was given to Bennett for some accomplishment in Detroit or Boston after his playing career. BTW, Bennett and Nichols played together for Boston.

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Good story Joshua...but the mystery of why there is no Bennett card issued before 1889 remains.

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Does it have something to do with him being traded from Detroit? Im assuming it has nothing to do with him losing his legs?

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Bennett should have been issued an 1887 card just as teammates Lady Baldwin, Pete Conway, Pretzel Getzien, and Deacon White should have. All, except Bennett, would be picked up in 1888. Other players who joined the set later than expected include Anson, Ewing, and many other less notable players.

Here are two versions of the same Bennett pose. I'm happy to call the one on the left mine while all other N172 and N173 examples I've seen match the copy on the right. The difference being the presence of "Detroit" on the uniform. A little more history on Bennett's pose can be learned on page 150 of the book.

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Joe- I am most impressed that you spell "Getzien" correctly. I don't believe a single baseball card got it right. As you noted in the book, everyone misspelled it.

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OJ players born outside of the US: Pop Smith was born in Digby Nova Scotia in 1858. (Canada wasn't officially a country until 1867)

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Max--Our attorneys inform us that Smith's bio says he "came out of Canada" not that he was born in Canada. Thus, assuming he left Nova Scotia at an age after nine we are correct. And while we are at it, none of us inhaled. LOL

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I think there were a few OJ players born outside the US... there was that "eskimo" guy...

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Jay

Digby Nova Scotia is home to some of the highest tides in the world. My spouse is also from about 10 miles from there. While I've been to Digby many times, I've yet to see a Pop Smith memorial.

Book order is on the way, but if I recall correctly without the benefit of the book (and sans google), Tip O'Neill and O'Rourke were also Canadian.

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Through some odd search I came up with this thread.

Incredible trivia information to know now that i've been collecting OJs.

I'd love to see this revived to learn more about the OJ set...

Anyone?
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Which member of the Old Judge set was a pennant winning manager in more than one league and died before 1900?

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Harry Wright (the obvious one, I think) in the NA and the NL; Bill McGunnigle in the AA and the NL.
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I'll throw one out there that can be easily looked up, but interesting none-the-less.

How many left handed single-season 40 game winners are there? Which ones can be found in the Old Judge set.
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Single-season strikeout leader, Matt Kilroy; Ed Morris and Detroiter Charles Busted "Lady" Baldwin.

Here's one...what member of the Old Judge set is the all-time leader in hit batsmen?
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Phil Knell with 54 hit batsmen in 1891.

Here's another Old Judge question. Who is the only Hall of Famer wearing a glove in an Old Judge pose?
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Knell is a single-season leader, not the all-time leader.

And Delahanty is wearing a glove.
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I thought Walter Johnson hit the most batters in his career
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