Ruth with light pencil markings

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

How much does the marking (MK) on the back of this card affect its value.

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The marks look almost as if they have been erased, or perhaps they have faded with time.

martyOgelvie
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Posted By: leon

I feel the placement of the marks is important in helping determine the value. Marks on the blank part of a back don't bother me much at all. I guess if I was real condition sensitive they would. I doubt the marks on this back will affect the value a whole lot. (we'll see) When determining if a mark is faded or partially erased many times you can tell by the rest of the card. This time, and most often, the marks have been mostly erased with remnants/indentions left behind...Usually the area around the marks will be a little lighter from the erasure..that's my opinion and I am sticking to it....regards

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

so does erasing pencil marks fall under the same category as soaking a card?

I'm not sure I like the idea of someone erasing pencil marks.... that borders restoration to me.. maybe I am just quirky.

martyOgelvie
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Posted By: leon

I think equating it to soaking would be in the same range. Personally I don't think erasing marks or soaking is restoration but it's been a good debate many times.....To each their own....regards

edited to add....maybe I used the wrong term? Soaking and/or erasing is restoration, to a degree, but I don't personally consider it altering....

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Posted By: double-p-enterprises

It saw the same card sell in huggins & scott's auction for around $2,500 w/ juice. Not bad for a card with writing and 90/10 centering. It is one of Ruth's best cards and not easy to find. A bargain at any price really. There is a PSA 4 with no qualifiers and nice centering at one of the big auctions going on right now, Goodwin & Co I believe. Other recent sales of the Photo Montage that I recorded:

SGC 50 - $3,877 ($4,650 w/ juice) - Mastro June 2007
PSA 4 - $3,375 - Ebay September 2007
PSA 1 - $1,526 - Ebay April 2007

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Posted By: James Gallo

To me it wouldn't make a difference as I would pop the card out of the PSA slab, carefully erase the marks and send it off to SGC.

The centering would bother me more then anything else.

James G

Who has no problem taking off light pencil marks if done correctly.

Looking for 1915 Cracker Jacks and 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1.

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

I would sooner fold a corner back than attempt to erase a pencil mark on a card like this.  Only because of fear of ruining the card with the eraser.  I could do little damage by folding a corner back but could surely damage it beyond repair with an eraser...

martyOgelvie
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Posted By: Dave

My Ruth is kind of similar to this card... it has glue staining on the back side which drops the grade heavily, but I really care more about presentation than the number on the slab. I would never consider trying to remove the glue... never. Nor would I try to erase the marks on the back of the one being auctioned.

This card is my all time favorite Babe because you get a portrait, him with a bat... and him standing at the Polo Grounds the year before his house was built (or at least that's where I think he is). Plus he's the relatively "slender" Babe. Excuse the GAI slab... hoping to cross it over to SGC at some point.

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

Dave,

nice card, how long have you had yours???  Did you get it raw and have it graded or buy it in its current holder?

martyOgelvie
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Posted By: Dave

Bought it a couple years ago as you see it now. I think I got a pretty sweet deal on it for 2 reasons...

1 - it's in a GAI slab (which is terrifying when you purchase for all the known reasons)... but the 1st thing I did was measure it up when it came and it checked out (whew).

2 - I'm not a back of card guy. I want clear, easy on the eyes front cards... so anytime I can buy a 4-5 looking front graded a 1-2 because of back issues, I go for it.

I'm usually weary of PSA marked cards for sale... because sometimes you end up paying more for them because of the #. But to each his own. That Ruth being auctioned off is still very sweet and rare as hell. The centering would throw me a bit more than the mark on the back though. Just my own style.