T206 Red HINDU cards.....SURVEY

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

A favorite "toughie" for most T206 collectors, there are a possible 110 Subjects that were printed
with the Red HINDU back. This includes cards in the 350/460 Series, the 460-only Series, and the
Six Super Prints.

To date, we have confirmed only 45 different Red Hindu's from the T206 set.

I'll start with my two examples.....two real "characters" from the NY Giants.....let's see yours; and,
perhaps we'll have some new ones to add to the known list ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Marc S.

I have a Magee with Bat, although i don't have a scan on me at the time.

I also know that a Doolan batting exists. If the owner of that one would like to trade/divest it, I would certainly be a very willing buyer.

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Posted By: Lee

My New Red Hindu via the last Goodwin Auction:




And 2 Red Hindu's I just sold to a board member:






Edited to add name

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Posted By: MVSNYC

looking to upgrade...

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Posted By: Bob

There is a Heinie Wagner with a Red Hindu back somewhere in the world as I sold it about 10 years ago, for anyone keeping track. Can't remember if it is bat left or bat right.

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Posted By: Jim Dale

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Posted By: peter ullman

i still have the brown...sold the other 2. sorry for the old...huge scan but I'm between crown preps!

pete ullman



edited size and added backs

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Posted By: Dylan

Unfortunatly i dont own a red hindu yet... but i was wondering in that large survey done were red hindus found to be tougher then the black lenox?

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

DYLAN

Black Lenox backs are about twice as easy to find as the Red HINDU cards. Both these backs can theoretically
be found on 110 Subjects.

So far, no new Red HINDU's have been reported here. When I get the chance I'll post the 42 known Red HINDU's.

TED Z

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Posted By: Dylan

Wow really twice as tough? Its interesting that they sell for roughly the same amount, but i suppose it has to do with the fact that people can substitute a brown hindu whereas theres no cheaper lenox.

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Posted By: MVSNYC

Dylan- kinda true, i guess...similiar situation with the BL 460 & Drum...but obviously the BL 460 is way scarcer.

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Posted By: Lee

PSA 1 red hindu = $400-$450
PSA 1 lenox = $250 -$300

IMO red hindu's carry more value because they are much rarer as Mike and others have stated, but I don't think they are roughly the same price. Even in PSA 1, Red hindu's are worth about $150 more than black lenox, a significant difference.

The same is true with Drum and BL 460. I think BL 460 is significantly scarcer and demands a significant premium over Drum.

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

LEE

My experience, as I just told Dylan, is that LENOX backs (while they are tough) are considerably more
available than Red HINDU.
The Survey that shows us only 42 Red HINDU's are confirmed, shows us about 80+ LENOX backs confirmed.

Also, I have to disagree with you regarding DRUM vs Broad Leaf 460. Granted BL 460 backs are very scarce,
but DRUM's are in higher demand....therefore, sell for comparable prices as the BL 460.

This higher demand is due to many, many more T206 collectors needing DRUM's to complete their basic "15
T-brand sub-set". And, they already have a Broad Leaf 350; therefore, don't go after the BL 460.

I've been selling T206's for over 25 years and I can tell you this is very true.It basically boils down to.......
the law of supply vs demand.

TED Z

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Posted By: Marc S.

<<lan- kinda true, i guess...similiar situation with the BL 460 & Drum...but obviously the BL 460 is way scarcer.>>

There's just so many of those darn Drums laying around. Not scarce at all!

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Posted By: judson hamlin

I can confirm a Johnson pitching (g/g-vg) that i saw at EPSCC a few years ago, but didn't buy because 800.00 was too much. The next sound you hear will be me kicking myself in the arse.

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Judson,
That's one of my favorite cards.....















Be well Brian

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Posted By: MVSNYC

Marc- you know what i mean...

Drum is very tuff, but i have owned a few...Broad Leaf 460, on the other hand...it took me many many years to get one...


Ted- i understnad your thinking, and see your point.

i am working on a master back set, constantly upgrading...i have most of the tuffer ones, now just need to infill with some of the more common series/factories (all PSA mid-high grade).

now those darn brown old mills & lenox, are a different story...

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

The list of the 41 confirmed T206's with Red HINDU backs.....6/21/07
Possible total = 110 Subjects

Baker
Bender (trees)
M. Brown (Chi)
Burch (fldg)
Chase (blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Cobb (bat off)
Crandall (cap)
Davis (A's)
Devore
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Duffy
Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)
Evers (Chi-bat)
Ford
Gandil
Geyer
Griffith (bat)
Hummell
Johnson (pitch)
Konetchy (glove low)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitch)
McGraw (glove hip)
O'Leary (hds/knees)
Pfeffer
Rucker (throw)
Seymour (throw)
Sheckard (glove)
Snodgrass (fldg)
Stahl (glove)
Street (fldg)
Sweeney (NY)
Tannehill (Chi-throw))
Wagner (bat/right)
Wheat
Willis (throw)
CYoung (glove)

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Posted By: JimB

Brian,
Where do you find these? That is a great card!!
JimB

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Posted By: Aaron Seefeldt

A new one for your list...

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Aaron and Brian, incredible cards. And Aaron, please post the Chase -- I was the underbidder. Very sad underbidder.

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Posted By: barry arnold

Wow!
these cards are beauts!
no red hindu for me yet.
just some great browns!

best,

barry

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Posted By: Jim Dale

That last Cobb is amazing; great card.

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Aaron,
Amazing card!!! I had heard reports of it's existence, but had never seen one, especially one that nice. I Love Red Hindu's.....

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

You have us all beat when it comes to T206 rare backs, both in quantity and quality.
How about showing us some more of those fine looking Red HINDU's you have ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Ted,
I'll be happy to post some scans when I get off work this afternoon.
Have a great day. Brian

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Posted By: Paul S

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Posted By: Aaron Seefeldt

Jeff,

I'll post the Chase tonight when I get home...

-Aaron Seefeldt

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Posted By: judson hamlin

Dear Brian,

You seem like a nice guy, but please take up stamps, coins, postcards, pogs, anything...
You're not leaving anything for the rest of us.

Signed,

T206 collectors everywhere

:0}

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Posted By: robert a

Has anyone owned/documented a red hindu back with either of the two Tinkers generally found with 460 backs (Bat on and Bat off)?

Also same question with Chance Yellow and Batting?

They must be out there somewhere.

Thanks,

Robert

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Posted By: JimB

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

ROBERT

I expect a Red HINDU Chance (yellow portrait) to show up in due time. And, ditto for Matty (Dark cap).
Both these cards are in the Super Print category, of which there are SIX cards.

The other four....Chase (blue), Chase (dark cap), Cobb (red), and Evers (Chi-bat) have been confirmed
with Red HINDU backs.

TED Z

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Ted,
These are for you my friend...... I have a 11, but nothing unknown:
















Hi Judson,
I don't like stamps or coins(unless they are Gold) and luckily never bought a Pog, so I guess you are stuck with me... FYI I did take your advice... I only bid on 1 lot in Mastro and it's a loser, so good luck.

Be well Brian

PS The sloate auction is another story..

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Posted By: steve yawitz

Amazing Cobb, Aaron. What a fantastic card! Love those Cardinals, too, Brian. Another Brown Hindu arrived today, but I really want a Red one after seeing all these.

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Thanks for displaying some of your Red HINDU's.

How many of these backs do you have in your T206 collection ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Trae R.

Ted, he said:
" Hi Ted, These are for you my friend...... I have a 11, but nothing unknown."

Beautiful cards!

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Posted By: judson hamlin

Brian - Great cards, especially the Konetchy. Cool pose. Good luck with Barry's auction; don't overlook those pogs, though, or maybe 1987 Topps...

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Posted By: Aaron Seefeldt

<br/>Shot at 1969-12-31<br/>Shot at 1969-12-31

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Posted By: Aaron Seefeldt

<br/>Shot at 1969-12-31 <br/>Shot at 1969-12-31

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Scratch my question to you.....upon 2nd glance, I see you answered it already.....

Best regards ole buddy,

TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Care to trade your Red HINDU Chase for my Broad Leaf Chase ? Ha....I didn't think so....but, I thought I'd ask.

OK, guys and gals, show us your pretty looking Red HINDU's. I know they're rare, but, there has to be more of
them in Net54er's collections....than we have seen, so far ?

TED Z

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Posted By: aaron seefeldt

McGraw, Tannehill, & Duffy seem to be more common than others...
<br/>Shot at 1969-12-31 <br/>Shot at 1969-12-31
<br/>Shot at 1969-12-31 <br/>Shot at 1969-12-31

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

I also have a Red HINDU Tannehill.......and, let's add Wheat to this mix.

So, we have Duffy, McGraw, Tannehill, and Wheat....each in "triplicate"....now what does this tell us ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Ted,
Add Gandil to the list, as I have seen 6 of them. Be well Brian

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

At the last Philly Show I saw a couple of Red HINDU Gandil cards. It's very interesting how certain
ones show up in multiples.

We are going to have to delve into this recurring matter.

TED Z

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Posted By: Paul S

Probably an oxymoron when it comes to Red Hindu.

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Posted By: Paul S

Ted

Odd thing about Gandil is I think he may show up with rarer backs with relative frequency (Gee, I'm an oxymoronist!) I have 3 Gandils, each with a different back -- Cycle, American Beauty and Tolstoi. I got them so long ago when collecting backs wasn't really a big deal, and I wouldn't have gone out of my way to get more than one.

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Posted By: Aaron Seefeldt

Funny thing is when I had said:
McGraw, Tannehill, & Duffy seem to be more common than others...

I was refering to McGraw Portrait with Hat as I've seen at least 4 different ones.

Add McGraw Portrait with Hat to the red hindu list...

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

AARON

Are you sure that you really mean the McGraw (with cap) ?

I have never seen him on Red HINDU; and so far, he is not on my list of confirmed Red HINDU subjects.

But, if you are certain....I will add him to list.

TED Z