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Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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Posted By: Josh Adams
nevermind. |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
For starters there is no such thing as an SGC 95 or an SGC 90 or an SGC 15. More importantly, what is your point?? What does any of this have to do with the need for grading companies? |
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Posted By: Kyle
Random thought, any blind collectors on here? |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
I agree grading can be upside down. I got an SGC graded card in the mail, and when I pulled it out of the bubble wrap the label was on the bottom and all the writing was upside down. What is weird is I left the holder on the table and when I later returned to the room through a different door, someone had replaced the holder with one with label was on top and the writing was rightside up. |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
Only blind graders. |
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Posted By: Mike Pugeda
Peter, |
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Posted By: Steve f
Hey, at least he's cipoT nO. |
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Posted By: Silver King
Hey Peter, |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Don't make grading any more complicated than it is. That will just make it worse. |
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Posted By: Jim Dale
When searching for cards on ebay I have more faith in a "grade" given then I do some scanned images that can easily be touched up a little. I'm not saying buy the "grade" or the "slab" - far from it. But I've given up on trying to by ungraded cards reflecting someone's view of VG or NM...I'll take the grading companies idea of what that is over a seller any day. |
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Posted By: peter chao
King, |
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Posted By: Rick
David, just to be fair, I have also had similar situations with PSA and GAI. |
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Posted By: JimB
Aside from a PSA 10/SGC 98 or 100, there are nuances at the different grading levels. There can be a larger degree of variance as one moves down the scale because there are a wider variety and range of defects or combination of defects which are permissable at the lower levels. Thus, in many ways it can be tougher to determine vg/ex as opposed to ex than the difference between nm/mt and mint. Grading is subjective and will always be part art/part science. Though I have had disagreements with the determinations of all the major grading services from time to time, I think the truth is that we only have a standard enough system from which to gripe about grades because they have been so consistent overall. |
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Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Who cares what someone else thinks of your low/mid grade card? Determine what characteristics you like, those you can't tolerate, and buy what results. But slabbing a vg/ex? Maybe for reasle if it is sufficiently rare; but even then only because the cattle can not tell the difference between a card and a McDonald's burger. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
I know there is a difference in visual appeal and financial value between a Fair and Near Mint card, but professional grading, and their numbers, is often used as a method to create artificial rarity. This is especially true with plentiful issues where only a make believe rarity can exist. "There may be 10,000 of these cards but only 8 exist in a '9.'" So, yes, there are people who collect numbers and who would find important difference between a 92 and a 93. |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
if you want to use a subjective (attempting its best to be objective) third party appraisal system, then you have to just let go. Just let it go, don't try and play uber grader and vex over every frayed edge and print dot, accept that you are playing a game in which every participant has their role and enjoy it..........or else smash up the slabs and go birthday suit. |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
What is that, Chicago Transit Authority? |
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Posted By: Joe D.
too many cards fall to the SGC 10 or PSA 1 grades.... and they are all not created equal. |
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Posted By: JK
If you buy the card, not the grade, it doesnt matter what the grader thinks. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Joe- if they really create those many grades, as you suggest, you will make it impossible for collectors to grade their own cards. We will be entirely beholden to the grading services. |
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Posted By: John H.
What's the story with that Donovan card??? |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I disagree that the grading system is broken, even at the "poor/fair" levels. |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
That sure looks like a CTA 7 or higher to me. |
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Posted By: Scot Reader
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Posted By: peter chao
Peter S., |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
Does anyone here OWN any CTA graded cards? Do show. |
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Posted By: Joe D.
"Can you imagine a catalog description: "this is a little better than a 13, but not quite a 14"? We'll all end up in the loony bin." |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
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Posted By: barrysloate
Of course, as Joe just pointed out, a whole other aspect of grading that is given very little consideration is eye appeal. This is especially true with Old Judges and other photographic cards. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Peter S., |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
All that complication, and what do you end up with once it's on the secondary market? A 7. |
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Posted By: Bruce Babcock
In my experience, CTA failed because they were willing to grade cards that were previously rejected as altered by multiple competing grading services. They had the same credibility as PRO or ASA. |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
Well Bruce I guess you and Peter C., who thinks a CTA 8 is a "true" 8, may have a difference of opinion on that one. |
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Posted By: peter chao
I'm just judging CTA by the dozen or so cards I've seen graded by them. From your link that you posted, it looks like a solid 7 to me. So as far as I can tell CTA is a fair grader. |
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Posted By: JK
John H - the grade is due to some minor paperloss on the back. I have no problem with the technical grade. |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
The reason many grading services like CTA have come and gone over the years is that they have failed to establish credibility with the consumer. Because it really isn't that hard to assign an accurate numerical grade to a card, the reason in virtually every case is that the companies either lacked the expertise to detect altered cards, or perhaps knowingly graded them. |
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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth
You cannot determine a grading company's ability by a dozen or so cards. Substance over form. You may have liked their grading report but to give them top grading company honors based on your very limited exposure to them shows your inexperience in the hobby. |
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Posted By: Joe
Kudos to E, Daniel: |
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Posted By: JimB
I like Scot's 1-10 scale. The major companies are not going to change at this point, but I do perfer your scale. |
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Posted By: Scot Reader
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Posted By: barrysloate
Gem Mint + is your proverbial PSA 11 or SGC 105. |
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Posted By: peter chao
Guys, |
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Posted By: Brian
I like applesauce |
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Posted By: JK
Peter, |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
It need not be listed on the flip, it could be listed on a dog tag that is attached on a string that fits through a hole in the upper right corner of the flip. |
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Posted By: Brian
But Peter, would the slab also serve as a whistle. It would be a wonderful world if I could make cool whistle sounds with the slab. Of course, the data on the slab would need to be inverted so I could read the population guesses while whistling. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
Each grade should whistle a different note so the owner can know if the label's been switched. Off tone for off center cards. |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Slabs whistle when you throw them hard enough, with just the right wrist action. |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
If the pops change dramatically, under my proposal you could just swap out the dogtag without having to resubmit. |
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