Ebay Seller Poll

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

http://tinyurl.com/2uxjnz

1. This seller is dropping acid
2. This seller is a scam artist
3. Joe Jackson really is in this photo

Here are some of his ended auctions
http://tinyurl.com/yqlzz8
http://tinyurl.com/2ex3re

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Posted By: Rob L

This guy is definitely on acid. I love the Giants photo with Mathewson in disguise.

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Posted By: Paul

That's Joe Jackson's dog. I'm sure of it.

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Posted By: mr. moses

the brown acid.

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Posted By: Rick McQuillan

I just took some acid but I still don't see Joe Jackson or Eddie Collins so I will go with answer #2.

Rick

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Posted By: barrysloate

This one is so goofy you don't even know where to begin. The seller found a postcard picturing nine people, so he decided to make up any story he wanted. It could be nine factory workers, or nine friends at a party...so why not just say it's the Black Sox. That might work.

And as is always the case with these scams, not even an opening bid.

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Posted By: Mike

It's unusual for anyone to be that stupid. So my vote goes to "thief".

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Barry, someone will take the bait...look at the two closed auctions that I posted. He made $80 on two 50 cent postcards.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Dan- that's shameful, because if somebody buys that postcard it proves he doesn't even know who the Black Sox are.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

"were", not "are"

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Posted By: barrysloate

The 1919 Chicago White Sox "are" known today as the Black Sox.

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Posted By: David McDonald

It depends on what your definition of "is" is.

Edited for de-anonymyzation. Didn't hurt at all.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

#2

The funny thing is it's so not even close to the 1919 White Sox. He might as well have said it was the 1962 Rolling Stones.

It's a new way to make money off your family estate: Claim a famous person is in each of your family snapshots. "Family picnic: Notice Sir Edmond Hilary at the grill." "T-ball game in back yard with Mickey Mantle at second base." "Me and prom date, Alexander Haig."

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Posted By: barrysloate

1962 was the year the Rolling Stones formed. Now a photo of the band from '62- that would be valuable.

These guys look like nine butchers who posed for a photograph at the 1919 Meat Packers Convention.

Edited to add I just looked at the links for the other two postcards. I change my original opinion- it's not a scam, he just took too much acid (looks to me like it might have been blotter acid)

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Posted By: S Gross

4 -- He just got the team wrong ---- it's the 1919 Montreal Canadians, with Bad Joe Hall back left (just one day before he died of the Spanish Flu).

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Posted By: dennis

unbelievable. famous people in disguise. this thief at least gets some points for originality. (sp)

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Posted By: howard

That postcard has "British Made" stamped on the back. It looks like it could be part of the crew of the Antarctic explorer "Endurance".

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Posted By: Bob

One question: How does this squirrel get away with these scams????

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

I emailed the guy last night and asked him if he really believed that these postcards were in any way baseball related and here is his reply:

"Is there a point to your question or are you simply upset because you did not find them yourself. They are what they are and I stand by everything money back. If you don't like them do not buy them but don't bother me with your criticism. Experts like you really bore me, where do you come from. How old are you? What is your expertise? You saw a couple of news photos on ebay maybe or maybe you sell for some company and rip off people with high prices for junk. Or maybe you work for one of the companies that claim to certify items and to be uninterested while you sell the items yourself. Get yourself a life. You think that the only photos of those players were taken by newsphotographers, then you really are a fool. I have considered that it may be look alikes and there was a lot of copying even back then. But I will stand by what I say, can you say the same for whatever you sell? I doubt it."

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Posted By: Glenn

Hmm. Item is no longer available for sale. So much for my snipe.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Here ya go Glenn...relisted.

http://tinyurl.com/yupf9c

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Posted By: davidcycleback

The description is still silly, with the suggestion that some Europeans may have pretended to be Chicago White Sox for a post card. While London women were having Tupperware Parties in the livingroom, the men went to to smoking room and, for game, posed as famous American baseball teams. Evidently, the winner of the game was the team that looked least like the 1919 Chicago White Sox.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Dan- you should have emailed him back and stated: "Thank you for your professional response and your complete candor. After reading your email, I now realize that you are a complete idiot."

And why would he insult you the way he did and then say they are not the Black Sox? We need to stay away from people like this.

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Posted By: dennis

today that game still is played,much like the seller described it in europe about 100 years ago. 9 men dress up in baseball uniforms and pretend to be major league ball players. people come from all over the world to watch them, they are called the chicago cubs.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

Barry, I never engage these guys in email wars because you never know when they are going to mess with your auctions....best to just let them know that you are on to their scam. I'm guessing I got into his conscience and he changed the auction or I wasn't the only person to email him.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Dan- You are correct, because I think this guy is unstable. Just the way he abruptly changed his tune when he relisted it shows that he has trouble discerning the truth.

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Posted By: davidcycleback

Good one Dennis. They had a similar group in the 1970s, called the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Hired from USC, head coach John McKay one once remarked (in seriousness) that some of the Buccaneers wouldn't make his USC teams.

I read an article about the Cal Tech basketball team, where the tallest player is like 6'3." Needless to say Cal Tech doesn't win many (actually any, at time of the article) baskebtall games.

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Posted By: Bill

Looks as if he ended the new listing early as well.

Change your socks, drink water, and drive on.

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Posted By: Glenn

And what did McKay say when asked about his team's execution?

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Posted By: davidcycleback

Obviously the sale was a ruse, as the two postcards depict completely different people. If it's plausible that he thought one was the White Sox, it's not plausible that he thought they were both the White Sox. A 5 year old could look at those pictures and tell you they aren't the same team of players.

When I first saw the '1919 Sox' postcard, I wondered how the seller distinguished the group of men as being the 1919 White Sox, as opposed to the 1920 or 1918 White Sox.

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Posted By: Glenn

perhaps a case of prosopagnosia and wishful thinking

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Posted By: mr. moses

have to respect the guy for re-listing them and changing the description to reflect his own second thoughts.... It looks quite apparent to me that he's just a bit off kilter and not dishonest.......Which doesn't bode well for me because I can recognize it so well:-)

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Posted By: Dave F

"I stand by my photos. If you don't like them do not bid it is that simple. These photos have been around for nearly a ninty years and have always been controversial. I stand by them money back what I say. Do You? If Net54 wants a fight I will be more than happy to give it to them. I am an attorney, and I will meet them and you in court, if you try to interfere with my sales. I am not bothering you. You won't bully me. You experts try to bully people to protect your turf on high priced junk. I am selling low priced excellent goods that is just as real as yours and you don't like it. That has also been going on for ninty years or more. Too bad. See you in court if necessary. I plan on relisting as original if you do not like it then you can tell your mother if you want to."

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Posted By: Marty Ogelvie

"And what did McKay say when asked about his team's execution?"

McKay said he was in favor of it.

 

I don't think I would have responded via email either.. he seems very combative but at the same time open to negotiations..

martyOgelvie
nyyankeecards.com

 

edited spelling errors

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Posted By: PC

"I am an attorney, and I will meet them and you in court, if you try to interfere with my sales."

This week he's an attorney, next week he's the Easter bunny.

Dave -- your response to this crook should be to ask him what state he is admitted in, so you can notify his state bar that he's committing internet fraud on a regular basis.

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Posted By: leon

I hope I am not "Mr. Net54".....I don't care for court rooms too much...

(this is a joke guys....I have an idea about my rights in running this forum).....regards

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Posted By: Bruce Babcock

If I were hiring a lawyer, I would hire one who could spell and form complete sentences, with proper grammar.