![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
|
#1
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
"Turkey Mike" Donlin presents a real mystery with his 3 cards in the T206 set. |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: T206Collector
...you'll find a better explanation than the one you hinted at in your opening -- he was a star of stage and field in New York. If Derek Jeter stopped playing this year to pursue a successful acting career, I suspect you'd have Topps printing cards of him in 2008 and perhaps even 2009. |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: barrysloate
Exactly. The cards were issued to market and promote cigarette brands. What better way to do it than with someone who is famous? |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Jason L
T206, very good point, though I would think it less likely nowadays than back then, when NY was the center of a much tighter regional universe for both baseball and show business than today's national scene... |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Mark
He married a famous actress, I believe. Maybe the card of him sitting is symbolic of his "sitting out" the 1910 season. |
#6
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
He married Mabel Hite, who was a Broadway actress. And, and thru her he became very interested |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Bob
Donlin, who should be a Hall of Famer, had frequent and violent run-ins with the law. He was the bizarro Christy Mathewson, a handsome player with tons of talent, but one who could have cared less about the young kids or his image. As I recall he left baseball (or was booted out temporarily) several times, so maybe someone thought, "aw, he'll be back soon," and kept printing cards. |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
One of Donlin's best performances was in "Stealing Home", for which he got rave reviews. He served 6 months in jail for assaulting an actress. |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Damian Anderson
Great question, and great answers. Love stuff like this. It really puts perspective on the times and history. Just goes to show that vintage cards especially T206 run very deep from a cultural standpoint. It is much more than just baseball history, a testament and standpoint of Americana!! Cheers!! |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Jerry Spillman
|
#11
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Thanks much for your link on the Mike Donlin story. It is very informative and the pix are great. |
#12
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Thank you, Jerry... great link!! Stuff like that brings these little cards alive. |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
TBOB's post got me thinking....about the raw similarities between Donlin and O'Doul. Both had intermittent 12 |
#14
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I did receive your email. I've been away and i will get back to you soon. |
#15
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
To follow-up on your observation of how heavily favored the NY Giants player's are in the T206 set. |
#16
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I noticed you came up with 52 cards of NY Giants.....I have 51, who am I missing ? |
#17
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Hey Ted... I find Bert Sugar's book great for looking up the team associations. From looking at that, Mr. Lipset's Encyclopedia, and Rich Egan's list, it is obvious that for years T206 was collected by team, not alphabetically as in today's Standard Catalog. I have mine sorted by team. I concede that alphabetically is easier at first... I still hope one day collectors return to the team approach. |
#18
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Thanks for the Devore info......I knew if you said there were 52 Subjects, that somehow I missed one. |
#19
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
American Tobacco had to focus on the Giants. McGraw was THE baseball man on the planet. First place in 1904 and 1905. Second in 1906. Tied for second in 1908, but only a game behind the Cubs, tied with the Pirates. Third in 1909, second in 1910, then back to first in 1911. Seems that some of the players in the set are there for what they did 3 and 4 years earlier, Beckley, McGinnity, Jimmy Collins, Duffy... and then some are in there for what they were doing in 1910 or so, if they're on a 460 card, such as Zach Wheat. |
#20
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Clint
How much time did it take from concept to issuance on the t206s. Did it take say 3 years to secure players, design cards, manufacture the cards and then issue them or was this done fairly quickly? If it took a while this might be one of the factors in the popularity of Giants players. |
#21
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Mark L
The Giants led the NL in attendance in 4 out of the 6 years and finished second the other two times. The Cubs finished second in NL attendance four times and first twice during that period. The Bucs finished 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 3rd in NL attendance during those years. During that stretch, AL attendance was strong. The A's sometimes finished above everyone, as in 1907 and 1910 when they outdrew everyone in both leagues. So it ain't a simple response to paid attendance. As I understand it, outside of NY the Giants were looked on as a bunch of rough and someimes dirty players whom fans loved to hate. (Matty excluded). Inside NY, they were, of course, the Yankees of their era. |
#22
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Paul
Donlin also appears in the Coupon set, using his T206 batting pose, with the designation ".300 batter 7 seasons." I've always assumed this was issued after he retired for good, and the unusual caption reflected the fact that he was not associated with any team. He must have been quite popular for the tobacco company to continue to include his card in the set. I don't think even Cy Young is in the Coupon set, but Donlin is. |
#23
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Hey Paul... can you post an image of that T213 Donlin? I did not know about that caption, would love to see it. Great info! |
#24
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Paul
Here's my Donlin. |
#25
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
FRANK |
#26
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Really great stuff......this really tells us how popular Mike Donlin was with the T-card designers of |
#27
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The first Donlin card (Hands on Knees) issued in the 150-only Series is definitely tougher than most |
#28
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
I offer this idea seriously, although some may doubt it... |
#29
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Glyn Parson
Other than the "Big Six"....Tell us what T206 cards have been really tough for you to find ? |
#30
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: D
Paul I recently bid on two of the Donlin T213 "7 years .300" card. It seems to sell for a premium, but I havent found any info on why the slogan was printed next to his name, seeing as how its the only card in the set to be printed with it. Leon has one and i asked him, but he doesnt seem to know why either. SGC in its power rankings only rates the card a "1" in difficulty(which may mean nothing, just interesting), and I have seen a few lately for sale. Anyeone have any info on the T213 Donlin? |
#31
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
GLYN |
#32
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: RC
Frank |
#33
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Hey Ted, |
#34
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: RC
Frank, |
#35
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
1st....please forgive me for correcting you (better I, rather than one of those "usual suspects", |
#36
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Hey Ted, |
#37
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: John
Frank, |
#38
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
JOHN |
#39
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Not a good start for the reigning World Champs. You told us about the pretty blonde, Pete Rose, |
#40
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Aaron
Frank, |
#41
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Burt wrote or edited The Sports Collectors Bible... I think there are 3 editions. The first is in a green cover, second and third are in a white cover. 1975, 1977, and 1979. The 3rd edition is about 570 pages. As I've demonstrated, there are some errors in the books. But the 3rd one is pretty good. It is great for figuring out ACC numbers for stuff, especially the odd stuff. Olbermann wrote just over 2 pages for the beginning of the book. |
#42
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: leon
There were 4 revisions...the last one being in 1983-84.....Many of our category numbers came from this publication. "N, E123, E125, all WG when referring to game cards, and many others"....The last version was a good try at updating the ACC..... |
#43
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Dave Hornish
The 3rd edition of SCB had errors in how some sets were assigned ACC numbers. It is a good reference though and contains a lot of sets not in other guides. |
#44
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Thank you, Leon... |
#45
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I noted it in post (7:07 AM),here's my 1st words...."Not a good start for the reigning World Champs." |
#46
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Last Summer.....quite a character. He was "holding court" for a small crowd, while signing his books |
#47
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Hey Ted, |
#48
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
As a NY Yankee fan....I felt your pain, when Renteria ended the the final game of the 2004 WS, |
![]() |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
![]() |
||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
FS: T206 Donlin Seated PSA4 (MK) ... SOLD | Archive | Tobacco (T) cards, except T206 B/S/T | 3 | 03-15-2008 02:43 PM |
Best places to search for tough T206's | Archive | Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions | 4 | 03-07-2008 08:24 AM |
FS: (70 )-T206's -5-T205's....w/tough Vaughn | Archive | Tobacco (T) cards, except T206 B/S/T | 8 | 12-30-2007 10:49 PM |
Ty Cobb T206's for sale. Tough Backs. SGC Graded | Archive | Tobacco (T) cards, except T206 B/S/T | 8 | 10-22-2007 09:23 AM |
WTB T206 Donlin high grade | Archive | Tobacco (T) cards, except T206 B/S/T | 2 | 09-16-2007 08:01 AM |