Regional/Odd ball cards at Nationals???

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Posted By: Richard Lloyd

Hello...

I am trying to get a feel of the amount of Regional food and minor league cards that were at the Nationals this year...I have been told that there was NOT much if any at all to be found... any thoughts from anyone on this and why?

and if there was NOT.. WHY?? If the bid dealers have the cards I would think they would make money bringing them to the nationals OR they do not want to give it up because these cards are VERY difficult to replace relative to many of the prewar cards...

thoughts..

Best
Dick

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Posted By: identify7

Good closing, but actually quite subjective. Is it slabbed?

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Posted By: Glen V

The very rare Type/Regional/Odd stuff was pretty thin at the National. I picked up a '33 Tarzan (thanks Leon) and a '38 Toledo Minor league card (will post a picture of that one later). Of the tougher issues, I saw a stack of creased up Old Homestead Franks (8-10), one Darigold ('60?), a number of '60 Post (on at least 4-5 different tables), some 7-11 cards, 2 '68 K????? Grocery panels, a few way over-priced coke tips, some '52 Royal Deserts (5x7 premiums), a set of Phili. Bulletin (8x10s), and 5 Yoo-Hoo cards w/ tabs (not for sale, in the current Mastro auction). I'm sure things were left out, but there was a lot to see...

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Posted By: Richard Lloyd

Thanks...I truly believe MANY regional cards do not exist PERIOD!!! while many prewar cards do exist and it is just a matter of
how much money a person wants to pay for the condition. In general thisis true.. For example, finding
a 1940 Hughes Confection card or a 1951 Vancouver Cap card are near
impossible.. They do not exist because FEW cards were made relative to the small town and population of the area..However, carmel and tabaco cards were made MUCH more and condition is what makes it hard to find NOT the card in general..

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Posted By: Richard Lloyd

Glen... can you call me about who had the HOMESTEAD FRANK cards...
978 858 4813

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

Anyone see or get a Jackie Robinson Bond Bread 1947 from the Jackie Robinson set, not the allstars set?

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Posted By: Richard Lloyd

I have one Julie... they pop up about every 8 months on ebay and have been going for 250+ dollars.. However, the ones in really good shape have gone for 400 dollars..

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Posted By: Andy Baran

There was a dealer with a pile of Hage's cards, priced at $475 each. Don't remember the dealer.

I did see one of the Bond Bread Robinson cards (portrait) from the Robinson set. I don't remember the dealer or the price.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

was pretty thin, but there were cards to be had, especially for postwar regionals. I picked up a Collins-McCarthy McGraw, a 1952 Mother's Cookies O'Doul, a 1947 Signal Oil Lombardi, some Zeenuts, some 1968 Atlantic oil cards, and a 1954 NY Journal American Furillo. I saw a number of west coast postwar regionals, including Bell Dodgers, SF Giants newspaper cards, and a lot of midwest regionals (Johnston Cookies Braves and Kahn's stand out). Also picked up some W517 minis as did a few other members.

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Posted By: David Vargha

Julie -- I have 2 slabbed versions of the Robinson sliding card from The Homogenized Bond Bread issue. Do you need one? I also have the portrait with autograph version and the batting with white sleeves version, but alas - only one of each of those.

(edited to correct horrible grammar)

DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: Zach

I picked up two of those w517s....Carey and Robinson. I am ignorant on the issue...why are they considered minis ? Are there small ones and big ones ? Also I didnt really know the value and paid around 25 dollars each...for a future reference was this too much ?

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Posted By: warshawlaw

But if you got them from the same dealer, he was being quite fair on his prices for them. And yes, they are much smaller than a regular W517. They size similarly to a quarter panel of an Exhibit card.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

Mine can be found under "Bums" on my website, which you still have to look up under

http://www.julievognar.com/home

but hopefully, not for much longer.




I have six..but I've had six for four years..

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Posted By: David Vargha

DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: Erick Lewin

There's supposed to be a big show August 18-20th in WEstchester, NY/ White Plains. I'm going to try to go at least one of the days. Just wondering if anyone had any idea of or if, there will be much prewar?regional?oddball sets< and just pre world war one in general?

particularly looking for fleischmann+ferguson

DOUBT ILL SPOT ANY BUT JUST WANTED TO GET PEOPLE"S THOUGHTS ON WHAT COULD BE THERE?

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Posted By: tbob

The pre-war regionals were very scarce. The Zeenuts have already been reported on and their scarcity, but there was one 1909 Obak and only a handful of 1910s and 1911s. Additionally, I saw only 2 D310s and 2 D311s, one of which I bought and the other was purchased by Tim Newcomb.
I have heard that there will be more of these cards next year when the National comes to California, but I am not sure. They are drying up. If anyone has any D311s (pacific coast biscuit cards), I'll be interested in buying or trading for them.
Thanks,
Bob
trophybob@aol.com

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Posted By: warshawlaw

but they were crappy and expensive.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

Like this?

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Posted By: bcornell

There were a bunch of those 50's Swift Meat's put-together-the-dismembered-body cards at one booth, but I couldn't tell you which one. It smelled like hot dogs.

Bill

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Posted By: Max Weder

Richard stated:


"a 1951 Vancouver Cap card are near
impossible.. They do not exist because FEW cards were made relative to the small town and population of the area.."

Vancouver, BC was not a small town then, even if the WIL was Class B. Capilano stadium games drew large crowds.

Max

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Posted By: Richard Lloyd

Thanks Max and you are right and thats a great pic..

I was tring to say that many food regional and minor league cards were NOT mass produced becuase they came from a small minor league town or attached to food products durning the baseball season..
FOr example, I am almost through with my article for potentially OLDCARDBOARD on the 1959/1960 Darigold farm SPOKANE indian baseball cards... (also, I was raised in Spokane) Spokane has a population around 100-200 thousand people but there is NO direct relationship with card production and city size in this case... The Darigold cards were glued to a 1-quart milk carton with a tab..Darigold was not selling there 1-quart milk so they came up with a TWIN-PACK that contained the baseball card.. I actually found and interviewed the GUY who GLUED them to the carton.. He was able to tell me the amount of milk they produced per week and through my research of the Spoksman review newspaper I was able to determine by the team roster,trades..etc.. how long the promotion went.. sooo, for Darigold in 1959 there was approx. 818 cards produced of EACH player!! I would think around 80% of the cards from the milk cartons were distroyed because not everyone kept the card..
given that, there is probably a pool of 175 cards that had a chance to survice 46 years till today...I would think less then 30-40 cards of each player exist today on average.. anyway.. the article is very in depth and these cards were only produced for 3 moneths unlike many
traditional tabaco or carmels that had a wider distribution across the country and for longer periods of time..
Best
DIck
PS: I have identified a total of 203 darigold cards from many collectors around the country.
PSS: MAx, do you have any extra Vancouver cap cards or know where I can get some????

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Posted By: James

Anyone find any 1954/1955 Esskay Hot Dog Orioles???

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Posted By: Max Weder

Richard

The park in the team photo (1939) is of course Athletic Park, not Capilano Stadium. The person in the photo is not me (no wise comments Elliot), but a member of the 39 team, although I hope to look that good at 92!(--I'm having trouble keeping up at 47)

As for the Capilano cards, sorry but I don't have any duplicates.

Max

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Posted By: Richard Lloyd

Thanks ...I was not sure...thought I would add a pic of some sugardales and other regional food cards..

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Posted By: Glen V

The Old Homestead cards were at a booth just right of the main entrance. My best guess would be Bradley Collectibles, Goodwin & Co., or Windy City Sports Shows. Jeffrey Miller & PJ Sports Collectibles were also against that wall, so it could be them. Anyone know how to get contact info for the above dealers?

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Posted By: Richard Lloyd

Can someone help me out in contacting Bradley Collectibles...
my email is
dicklloyd8@hotmail.com
978 457 6780 cell