What the heck is this on ebay?

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Posted By: Richey

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2741132443&category=31719

$5 million buy it now....???

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Posted By: jay behrens

this guy has been trying to sell this card for quite awhile now. Same old story, but he has added some more detail. Would be interesting to see if his claims are true. Before, he just used to say that he had 'experts' view card, and no other details. He also had a very amuzing website devoted to the card. I do notice that he has a new user ID, so he most likely got booted for selling bogus crap. The card is so famous/imfamous on the board that no matter what the ID, we would know the "Blue Eyes Wagner", lol.

Jay

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Posted By: david

it is funny how these people have everyone looked at their fake cards, paper experts, art experts, except people who actually deal with baseball cards. i also thought ebay banned all postings of t206 wangers because they are all obvious fakes

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Posted By: Hankron

We were discussing this earlier. Without getting into detail, the scientific testing he discusses (at least as applies to this card) likely likely bogus. For example, to perform the paper fiber analysis one would have to remove a sizable chunk of the card.

Beyond that, he has placed the minimum bid so high that I doubt he will get a legimimate bid. So, it's really just a show auction, not unlike the freak show at the local carny.

He does say, "This card is what it is, nothing more, nothing less." And I can't argue with that.

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Posted By: Hankron

Last time he offered the card, as a private eBay auction, with minimum bid of $500,000 or so, the bidding went to well over a million. I find it hard to beleive that not one of the bids were legimiate and he couldn't sell the card to that person ... (That's joke)

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Posted By: dan mckee

If those professionals he has mentioned are legit and he is using their names like that, I think they should be made aware of it. Elliott, you can't delete this post! The card isn't a reprint, really, read the description, it has been tested!

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Posted By: Hankron

Actually, the person he names is a well known expert in paper fiber analysis. I just emailed him to see if he did the reported tests, and am interested to see what will be his reply.

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Posted By: Elliot

There's no way I can delete this thread. We were discussing this last night on the chat for a while. You definitely have to check out his website (it's in the listing)----I haven't laughed that hard for a while. It's truly amazing. This thread needs to stay up just for the humor value.

Elliot

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Posted By: david

this guys page is hilarious and enfuriating. who would print a fake wanger with black lettering? it would be an obvious fake. obvious to everyone except this joker who refuses to accept it as a fake.

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

or has this card been pulled yet again... I clicked on the link and it appears invalid?

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Posted By: Jon Canfield

When I click on the link above, it works... when you go to his website and click on the eBay link, its invalid! Oh well... soon to be an invalid link from both sites I suspect!

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Posted By: david

i emailed him and asked if he would offer a refund if the card was sent to psa or sgc and found to be a fake. here is the response:


Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #2741132443

Hi,

There wouldn't be a need to go to PSA or SGC unless you want a graded
card. This card has been authenticated to be from the early 1900s (
scientific proof ). Not some guy sitting at a desk or behind a counter
looking at the four corners of a card and telling you that the card is the
real McCoy. So the answer to your question is by-as-is and I got the proof
to back up my cliem. Also if you have time please read this website on this
card. ( http://honuswagner_5mill.tripod.com/real )


Thank you
----- Original Message -----

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Posted By: JC

They made in the middle 30's a really nice reprint of this card. That is what he has, I'm sure of it..

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Posted By: warshawlaw

Here are some excerpts from this turkey's argument in favor of this card:

"if you are trying to past something off as genuine you want make a little mistake as to leave solid black pinstripe out or not printing the name of the player in solid brown ink. A blind man can see those mistake."

--Yes, indeed, the mistakes made in this card were obvious to any experienced T206 collector. Why? Because the card is a REPRINT made with the obvious intent of NOT defrauding anyone. The differences this guy highlights are the equivalent of stamping "reprint" on it.


"Now reader you clearly see that there are three sides to a story( my side, the grading industry side and the true side of this story)."

--????? The truth apparently is separate from this fellow's story!!

The web site is chock full of grammatical and spelling errors too. We also get the ubiquitous reference to an unnamed printing expert who has reviewed and authenticated the card, obviously inaccurate recitations of the procedures of PSA, etc. It makes absolutely no sense at all, except in the context of an elaborate fraud.

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Posted By: david

i posted a new auction on ebay if anyone is interested in buying my paper stock cutouts or my fake wagner. my four grandparents just died and all four of them left me a wanger, can you believe my luck!

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Posted By: david

sorry here is the link
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2741427317&category=31718&rd=1

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Posted By: deadballera

Great lot to list. Hilarious !

It will be interesting to see how much if it goes for and the number of page views/hits.


Good Luck !

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Posted By: Hankron

Adam, I also noticed and laughed at the 'three sides to my story.' His web site has some interesting logical gymnastics, somewhat frightening if he's being sincere. And this guy's allowed to vote for President?

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Posted By: runscott

They could clean the entire situation up quickly with respect to the pre-1930 baseball category:

- add a separate "reprint" category
- add a "not a card but might be confused with one" category (for Roy Huff)
- hire one of us as a cheap part-time consultant to i.d. reprints and forgeries not labelled as such, for immediate removal, and to identify i.d. known thieves and scam artists using the category for immediate banning.

But ebay is doing nothing, which means, as has been previously pointed out, that they are only interested in receiving their fees and could care less about the integrity of their business.

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Posted By: TBob

Great stuff. Please mail your suggestions to ebay.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Some other categories you didn't consider Scott:

* The "This Mint card would grade $20,000 if graded 9, but I don't want to pay the $6 to get it graded and you can BIN it now for $500" category

* The "My auctions are private because people would tamper with with my auctions, saying libelous things against my paperstock cutouts. P.s. Sold as is, absolutely no refunds, shipping is $20 per paperstock cutout, $10 per each paperstock cutout" category


Actually, in seriousness, I agree with you, Scott, that a reprint category would be nice. And if a seller doesn't know whether or not it's real or reprint ('Could be real, could be fake') then they have to put it in the reprint category. It will force them to do a bit of research and back of the cards they are selling before offering them.

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Posted By: Hankron

The anonymous was me, please excuse my faux pax

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Posted By: warshawlaw

whom I've seen naked. Yeah, that's the ticket.

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Posted By: jay behrens

No chance this is a 1930s reprint since the existance of this card was in question as late as 1940s early 50s.

Jay

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Posted By: Billy Martin, Jr.

Dave,

I was hoping to bid on these super fine rare examples, but was hoping to get some scans. If you don't have time to do some good ones you can just post some real blurry ones or just copy some from LOC and send them to me. Ah heck, if tell me they're good I guess I don't need pics after all.

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Posted By: david

i was actually going to include a scan of scrooge mcduck swimming in his money bin-to symbolize me and al the money i was going to make ripping people off, instead of the cutouts which speak for themselves.

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Posted By: BcD

who is a wanger round here?