HOF Numbers Game: Offense VS. Defense

[clydepepper]

If Edgar Martinez gets in, shouldn't Omar Vizquel and Andruw Jones?

Comments?


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[rats60]

Jones should get in regardless. He had a TZR of 251, 2nd all time behind only Brooks Robinson and ahead of Ozzie Smith. He also hit 434 HRs and was an above average hitter, OPS+ 111.

Omar Vizquel's defense is greatly overrated. He didn't make errors, but also didn't have great range like Ozzie Smith. He was also a poor hitter, OPS+ 82. His TZR was 129 which is 31st all time behind Gary Gaetti and Devon White. Are they HOFers too? What about Buddy Bell with a TZR of 174 and OPS+ 109?

[frankbmd]

I’m old school and stupid.

So I googled TZR and the only result was a Yamaha Moped, specifically a TZR250.

So I conclude that Yamaha is the third TZR surpassed only by Brooks Robinson and Andruw Jones.

Furthermore if Brooks Robinson had the best TZR, there ought to be a picture somewhere of him riding it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I would vote no on all 3, Hall of the Very Good.

[packs]

Vizquel and Edgar, yes. Andruw no. Defense aside, I'd rather see Albert Belle in before Andruw Jones.

[ajquigs]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

I’m old school and stupid.

So I googled TZR and the only result was a Yamaha Moped, specifically a TZR250.

So I conclude that Yamaha is the third TZR surpassed only by Brooks Robinson and Andruw Jones.

Furthermore if Brooks Robinson had the best TZR, there ought to be a picture somewhere of him riding it.

All interesting points. I hadn’t thought about the Yamaha as a HOFer, but the case is a bit better than I thought. Strong TZR, as you said, but only a ten year career - 1986 to 95. Excellent acceleration and speed, but not that agile on the bases, especially when reversing direction. On balance I think I would vote no, but I respect opinions can differ.