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There is very little about me that's altruistic. I'm the world's only liberal Rand disciple. Don't ask how I square that in my head; I don't have an answer. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
The cap is actually at 102K for 2008. |
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Posted By: David Atkatz
You may think I'm out of line, Al. Others don't. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
David, you may be able to look at yourself in the mirror -- but it would seem that no one else can stand to look at you. |
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Posted By: Anthony S.
Although Jeff, I was a little suspicious of the student comment on that site that began with "Whilst..." |
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Posted By: J Levine
More clarity please...name calling accomplishes nothing...I would like to respond to Jim Crandall who at times I have disagreed with and at times I have agreed with. I like Jim and I do not recall every having a problem with him in the past. I do respect him but some of his views are either short-sighted or not well thought out in my opinion. Jim, really my opinion and not an attack and I would love to hear a response from you in kind. Without name calling or the silliness that this discussion seems to have finally turned to. |
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Posted By: Fred C
So, what's the next big hurdle? A female president? A gay president? An atheist president? |
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Posted By: anthony
i voted for ralph nader...just kidding, that would of been as useful as a vote for ross perot. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Joshua, |
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Posted By: James Feagin
"James F. my friend...you make my arguments all too easy...What to do with your 37% of out of wedlock and possibly unwanted children?...give them to gay couples who often have more money, more stability, and lower divorce rates than "traditional families." Let them grow up loved and cared for with values like education, hard work, and equality for all." |
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Posted By: David Atkatz
How many Mormon families will adopt children of color? |
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Posted By: peter ullman
J Levine...very well thought and backed comments...yet to be equalled...imho! |
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Posted By: James Feagin
David, |
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I'm glad to hear that, Jim. |
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Posted By: John
"My condolances... November 7 2008, 7:25 PM |
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Posted By: Jim VB
"Anyone else who makes more should grin and bare it..." |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
How many children of ANY color have you adopted? |
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Posted By: 1880nonsports
4)Moral issues--I am not defending Palin's life here. All I am saying is she has the same set of moral values that I do--which are the opposite of what the democratic party believes today. I would rather have someone as vp who believes that life begins at conception and does not know if Africa is a continent or a country as vp than having someone who is seemingly indifferent to the tens of thousands of unborn children who are murdered every year. |
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Posted By: J Levine
James, if I may indulge a bit...the divorce rate of Mormons is nearly the same as any other Christian denomination. ReligiousTolerance.Org has a great article about this. Most mormons have a ceremony where they are sealed in the Mormon temple. Not telling you anything new here. The problem is that the Mormon church only gives divorce stats for the members that go through a rather tough Unsealing in the temple. Most Mormons who divorce do it the traditional American way through the courts and do not bother with the Temple Unsealing ceremonies. So, as a result, the divorce rate is right along line with the National Average. |
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Posted By: David Atkatz
<<How many children of ANY color have you adopted?>> |
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Posted By: J Levine
Jim C...thanks for your response and it was rather well thought out. I do understand the Republican views on less government, less handouts, etc. I also agree that we are in trouble when it comes to earmarks and I am familiar with the Grace Report. That is why I said that the Dems getting 60 would be a bad thing. I was glad to see that you give consideration to charity and that you believe that it starts at home. You would not believe how many Republican/Conservative people I know that give the very least possible when they could actually make a difference. Thanks for responding and your views are noted. We will just have to agree to disagree on certain points. |
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Posted By: David Atkatz
<<So David because Jeff has done well and worked very hard to get where he is, he doesnt deserve the right to be concerned about his lifestyle and income taxes?>> |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
David, two adopted kids? I hope Child Services is keeping a close watch. And yes, I'm happy to subsidize your terror campaigns against teen-agers (along with crushing their dreams). |
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Posted By: James Feagin
E-mail to be sent shortly |
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Posted By: Richard Simon
"thousands of unborn children who are murdered every year". |
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Posted By: David Atkatz
<<David, two adopted kids? I hope Child Services is keeping a close watch.>> |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
David, I wasn't commenting on the generalized abuse rate of adoptive parents; I was commenting on one seemingly psychologically imbalanced parent with anger and jealousy issues who somehow got past the MMPI on the road to adoption. |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
that's about a goofy argument........ |
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Posted By: David Atkatz
Hey, Tom-- |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
For what? |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
"How about an apology." |
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Posted By: David Atkatz
For your ill-conceived assumption. |
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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley
I believe James is speaking of Rhys & I above about the adoption thing. I don't know if anyone on here knows the history of our family (as we try not to mention it too often), but we are 2 of 23 (Thats right I said 23!) kids in our family. My parents were not raised in the LDS (Mormon) church, but later converted to being LDS. They had 7 children of their own, and while doing so also adopted 16 children. Of those 16 they are from all over the word (Cambodia, Korea, Russia, Bolivia, Haiti, and 6 adopted from within the US - all of which are African American). |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
question. You gave a simple answer. No apologies needed. You shouldn't want one. Given your normal tone and holier than thou attitude, it was a well-placed question. Congrats on adopting. It's a great thing to do. We're in the process of adopting special needs from China...... |
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Rhett, that's an incredible story. As one of 23 I would have been most concerned about some of them stealing my cards as a kid. Seriously, I'd love to hear a lot more about your experience sometime. I find it hard to imagine that anyone could be critical of your parents considering the sacrifices they went through. |
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Posted By: David Atkatz
Come on, Tom. Your capitalized "ANY" completely gives away that you felt very strongly that you knew the answer to that question. It should not have been asked. |
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Posted By: Rhett Yeakley
jeff, I assure you, the only one I had to keep an eye on growing up was Rhys! |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
emphasis, not knowing the answer. Now that I know the answer, it does give me pause for just a moment about you...... |
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Posted By: Dave Hornish
I just looked it up-if you switch from Sevruga to Beluga, the additional tax on income above $250K will not even be felt, assuming your caviar intake does not change after 1/20/09. |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
You'd be completely surprised at SOME comments people make when asking us about adopting from China. I guess they don't see them as completely rude but I can only imagine what Rhett's folks went through--especially given that it was so long ago and intl adoption wasn't quite as prevalent as it is today. |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
was a rough theoretical amount. It had already dropped to $200K with mention of $150K and $120K by some of the lackeys. Pretty soon, it'll be $100K, $80K, $60K who knows. But, as someone above said, we take them at their 'word' and then after we get screwed, we make decisions about if we vote 'em out next time. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Tom, true -- I'm looking at this issue in 2008, not 1975. I have close friends who adopted a kid from China and know the blow-by-blow trials they went through. Truly an amazing (and frustrating) experience it seemed. |
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Posted By: Richard Simon
Tom - I am not saying that it is not a sad fact that there are millions of abortions every year. I am saying that women have a CHOICE and the law does not make them a murderer despite the accusations of Mr Crandell and the pro life anti-choice movement. |
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Posted By: J.McMurry
Rhett, |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Adoption is a great thing and all of you adoptive parents should be commended. |
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Posted By: Steve F
Jim, Don't stop there... Lets take it a step furthur and condemn those that have ever had tubal ligations, vasectomies, worn a condom, IUDs, BCp's, the rhythm method, just simply "pulled out" or those that had sex to just have fun. |
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Posted By: JimB
THis thread had deteriorated substantially. LEON!!! |
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Posted By: James Feagin
Leon, |
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