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Posted By: MikeU
"Breaking his cards out for Kevin to examine would offer little insurance." |
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Posted By: Peter S
how was jury duty? this thread is so long i now can't recall if you had it today or yesterday lol |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
""This is exactly why Kevin would do this work for free. He is trying to gain credibiliy. If he can show PSA their errors, then he should gain their respect and maybe even land a gig.""" |
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Posted By: Peter S
How long does it take PSA or SGC to examine 40 cards? |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
From what I am told from a very reliable source, PSA spends about 30 seconds per card and no longer than a minute. Remember the article by Joe about not needing maginfication etc.? I forget exactly what he wrote but it wasn't reassuring. |
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Posted By: Peter S
Kevin I presume they "triage," i.e. spend more time on more important/expensive cards or those that require further examination, but even so if that is the average it is not hard to see how over many years many altered cards would escape detection especially given the level of expertise out there in various techniques. |
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Posted By: MikeU
"It takes roughly 8 hours to examine approx 40 cards." |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Peter- my jury duty was yesterday and they discharged us by 3:00. It was really quiet at the Brooklyn Supreme Court. |
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Posted By: Peter Spaeth
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Posted By: barrysloate
And I was proud of myself because I thought I spelled it right...well it's French so I'm giving myself a free pass |
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Posted By: leon
I need to clarify what I meant in my earlier statement. From now on if you quote me it needs have the words "without being provoked" added. Also you might learn how to spell my name if you are going to quote me. It's spelled correctly below: |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Jeez, Leon. Nobody quotes ME in their sigline. That's some rarified air right there. |
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Posted By: Tom Nieves
Jim, |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Leon, |
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Posted By: Dave F
Yes...asphaltboy is embarrassed and now has his tail between his legs. Good one Jim. And good one to you to Tom...whoever you are. |
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Posted By: PeterS
When my brothers and I were kids and cussing at each other my mother thought we were calling each other asphalts. |
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Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Jim, |
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Mastro and Psa
Posted By: JimCrandell
Charlie, |
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Posted By: PeterS
What Charlie says echoes what I have been hearing -- there seems to be a reluctance to grade high end big ticket cards recently. EDITED TO ADD To clarify what I am hearing is NOT encouraging -- I am hearing this reluctance extends to cards that are perfectly legitimate with no evidence of alteration. |
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Posted By: Charlie Barokas
Jim, |
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Posted By: Charlie Barokas
I am surprised at how few nice cards showed up on eBay after the National. eBay seems to be very sparce for desirable cards right now and I think it is a function of how tough they are. Ordinarily immediately following the big shows eBay seems to be flooded with 8's and above from onsite grading. It certainly did not happen this year. |
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Posted By: Kevin Saucier
"Ordinarily immediately following the big shows eBay seems to be flooded with 8's and above from onsite grading. It certainly did not happen this year." |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Wow, Peter and Charlie: I'm not sure that makes me feel better about PSA, but at least they're showing some trepdiation, right? |
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Posted By: Larry
Jeff- |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
I will take ridiculously strict and unrealistic over grading obviously trimmed cards any day. |
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Posted By: Peter
Jim as a collector I agree with you, but consider the perspective of guys who submit cards for a living, who now can't get legitimate cards graded. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I'm with Peter 100% on this one. If I paid good money for a raw card and submitted it, I wouldn't want it rejected for no discernable reason. |
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Posted By: Tony Andrea
I guess I'm a little bewildered about this whole thing. Tony |
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Posted By: Jay
Todd--I had the pleasure of seeing Jim's collection a few years ago. From what I saw the cards were spectacular and, although I am no expert, I didn't see anything that was obviously questionable. |
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Posted By: Jim VB
I agree, Barry. Here's a non-baseball example. I have a set of 1948 Bowman Basketball cards thay have been in my possession since before PSA, or any other graders existed. (They were my dad's.) |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I think PSA is probably afraid of someone with the skills of say Kevin S sending something altered in and documenting it for the world to see. This tells me that the card doctors are ahead of PSA and that's why PSA is being so cautious right now. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- I'm sure those Bowmans came that way as you said, but I can see the graders having some apprehension with them. I guess graded with the MC qualifier would be the best they could do. |
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Posted By: Jim Crandell
I am sympathetic to the honest dealers but I think so many of them that are submitting are fooling around with the cards that I think if there is any question at all--don't grade it. |
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