Hey, pennant guys

[ooo-ribay]

Hey Erik - it looks 100% better! I tape off the spine and then hang vertically to make sure the bleach stays away.

[perezfan]

Great job Erik!

You beautifully revived a pennant that was ready for the junk heap. Looks good as new!

[Fballguy]

WOW Erik...Came out fantastic! Nice job. Like Rob, when I did this (haven't had a good candidate in a couple years), I hung the pennant vertically so the bleach would run away from the spine.

Interesting that you do bleach/water/bleach/water. Is it 100% bleach? I haven't tried that. I usually just use a mixture to whiten and then straight water to rinse at the end when I'm happy with the results.

Also, when I did it, I'd start by spraying the back to see how effectively it soaked through to whiten the front. Then I'd just spray the trouble areas of the front directly. That way you're avoiding spraying directly on to the graphics...at least somewhat. But I've noticed in the past, while some graphics run in varying degrees. Others, like this Browns (and another Browns I've done) had absolutely no ill effects from being sprayed. Must be something in the orange paint.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by erikc21

Hey guys -

I always say I’m going to post more often, but It feels like my New Year’s resolution goals...I wanted to post another ‘before and after’ bleach cleaning. The first photo was taken in poor lighting with and old iPhone. The middle photo is the final product taken in better lighting with an new iPhone that seems to make everything brighter. Regardless, the pennant is much improved. The last photo shows what the back of the pennant where I didn’t apply bleach to.

I’ve made mistakes of spraying bleach too close to the spine in the past, so I applied the tape much further down the pennant. I’m still using the spray with water, spray with bleach, spray with water approach. Is that what you all do who attempt this? I let the bleach stay on the pennant for only a few minutes. I continue to stay away from red, but it looked like a Phillies pennant turned out pretty good recently.

Nice work, Erik!

[Birderdj]

Anyone have any Buffalo Bisons/Bills AAFC or AFL pennants for sale?


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[ooo-ribay]

Quick calculations: we may get our millionth view in two years and our 5000th post this year....assuming there’s still pennants to be had and mysteries to be solved.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Sorry, can't help with either of those teams, but I do have the Yankees World Champions version. Don't see those premiums around much.

[Duluth Eskimo]

I have seen larger pennants before and if I remember correctly they were very much like the ones you showed from 1969. I believe I remember someone saying they were used for display at the stadium. Here, it would have been Metropolitan Stadium for the Twins. Problem is I don't remember them having any grommets or being quite that large (6tf). They were definitely significantly larger than your normal 29 inch pennant and identical in every other feature. Oversize pennants like that are extremely rare as you know. The only one I have in my collection is this cloth 35 plus inch Yankees "Home of Champions" pennant. I've never seen another like this either which is why I picked it up despite the condition issues.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

I have seen larger pennants before and if I remember correctly they were very much like the ones you showed from 1969. I believe I remember someone saying they were used for display at the stadium. Here, it would have been Metropolitan Stadium for the Twins. Problem is I don't remember them having any grommets or being quite that large (6tf). They were definitely significantly larger than your normal 29 inch pennant and identical in every other feature. Oversize pennants like that are extremely rare as you know. The only one I have in my collection is this cloth 35 plus inch Yankees "Home of Champions" pennant. I've never seen another like this either which is why I picked it up despite the condition issues.

That’s a cool pennant. I don’t recall any other team with “Souvenir of ...” pennants but the Yankees.

These 1969s are really interesting, the felt resembles that of the old ones from the 1910s, has the feel of an army blanket. The printing is rubberized so that it doesn’t crack. You can fold it in half without risking damage. But just like the reg size from this series, the spine is cloth and does fade. ... Speaking of which I did find Giants and Mets in reg size cloth so I am almost finished the set.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Quick calculations: we may get our millionth view in two years and our 5000th post this year....assuming there’s still pennants to be had and mysteries to be solved.

I would think after a million views we get our own spin-off ... like Joanie Loves Chachi spun off from Happy Days ..

[thetahat]

Interesting acquisition ... near mint Phillies pennant, no sign of tassels, not a single loose thread ... but it’s a Keezer. It’s ugly, but pretty rare, I’ve never seen this before.

[rlevy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Interesting acquisition ... near mint Phillies pennant, no sign of tassels, not a single loose thread ... but it’s a Keezer. It’s ugly, but pretty rare, I’ve never seen this before.

Greg, seems to be same series as my LA Dodgers one, same stamp on the back. Interestingly, mine has tassels.

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[erikc21]

Random observation - I didn’t notice this originally, but my Cardinals pennant is a variation from the one in Egner’s book. The script under the two cardinals is different and the names also seem to vary - although I can’t read those in the bottom photo. I wonder if the Phillies and Pirates and other teams with similar designs have variations?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by erikc21

Random observation - I didn’t notice this originally, but my Cardinals pennant is a variation from the one in Egner’s book. The script under the two cardinals is different and the names also seem to vary - although I can’t read those in the bottom photo. I wonder if the Phillies and Pirates and other teams with similar designs have variations?

Very interesting. Gonna guess that these are different years? Maybe one is 1949 and the other 1950. I’ll check the names. Yours is very nice and clean. I have the version in the book.

I’m intrigued about these roster pennants, they seem to be from the same maker as all the “sliding runner” team pennants. They might be the most common that we haven’t figured out as far as the company who produced them.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Very interesting. Gonna guess that these are different years? Maybe one is 1949 and the other 1950. I’ll check the names. Yours is very nice and clean. I have the version in the book.

I’m intrigued about these roster pennants, they seem to be from the same maker as all the “sliding runner” team pennants. They might be the most common that we haven’t figured out as far as the company who produced them.

I've got to believe it's the exact same company that made these more common ones...

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I've got to believe it's the exact same company that made these more common ones...

These pennants are also a bit smaller than Trench but not 3/4. These are the ones which sometimes have have a “split spine” sewn continuously, as if they ended a roll mid pennant and just started a new one.

[thetahat]

Good ones Mark ... White Sox yes, only a bit unsure about the awesome Mr. Red pennant. The appearance of stitching on the back would be the key.

[perezfan]

Hi Erik!

Without looking at the rosters for each pennant (I've got a long to-do list today), I would guess they represent different years. The Manufacturer probably kept the same Cardinals motif, and just tweaked it with slight design change and updated names for the new season.

Just an educated guess!

[perezfan]

Greg, you beat me too it by one minute while I was still typing... I guess great minds think alike, haha.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Greg, you beat me too it by one minute while I was still typing... I guess great minds think alike, haha.

LOL yep! Here's mine ... now who the heck made these beauties?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Greg, you beat me too it by one minute while I was still typing... I guess great minds think alike, haha.

So Erik’s is 1949, as Bill Reeder (33) is listed, only appeared in ‘49. Mine is 1950, due to Johnny Lindell 5 who only played for STL in ‘50, and that was in mid season.

We know the Phillies have a 1949 and 1950 version, and the 1949 has fancier cursive like Erik’s.

[thetahat]

My known list of pennants like Erik’s

Phillies 1949 1950 including NL Champs
Athletics 1945 1948
Boston Braves 1950?
Pirates 1949
Cardinals 1949 1950
Red Sox 1946
Senators 1945
Orioles IL 1944

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by erikc21

Random observation - I didn’t notice this originally, but my Cardinals pennant is a variation from the one in Egner’s book. The script under the two cardinals is different and the names also seem to vary - although I can’t read those in the bottom photo. I wonder if the Phillies and Pirates and other teams with similar designs have variations?

The good scan is from 1949 (only year that Baker and Glaviano were both on the team)

The bad scan is from 1950 (only year Lindell was on the team).

That explains the variation.

Edited to say "damn you guys were all pretty quick"

Doug

[erikc21]

Thanks for the quick detective work, guys!

I don’t know if any other roster pennants aside from those Greg listed. That would be a great ‘set’ to complete!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by erikc21

Thanks for the quick detective work, guys!

I don’t know if any other roster pennants aside from those Greg listed. That would be a great ‘set’ to complete!

I cannot think of any other roster versions either.

But here are two Cincinnati Reds pennants presumably from the same "mystery manufacturer". In the pennant pair, it's the top one (which for some reason is far more scarce than the pennants pictured earlier).

[perezfan]

More from the mystery maker....

Athletics, Giants, Cubs and possibly the White Sox as well...

[perezfan]

I bet they made this oddball as well...

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I bet they made this oddball as well...

Why oddball, Mark? This was one of two Washington pennants I had on my wall as a youngster in the early 1950s, so always had great affection for it. I should make this a separate post, but is there any significance to read into pennants with a yellow spine that also came in variations with a white spine? Earlier as opposed to later, perhaps? I have found the yellow spines to be noticeably rarer than the white ones, at least when t comes to Washington pennants.

[MK]

Originally Posted by perezfan

More from the mystery maker....

Athletics, Giants, Cubs and possibly the White Sox as well...

This Cubs also.

[Domer05]

Anyone think this one may be from the same manufacturer? I know I've seen it before with a split spine; and it's from the same era as the others....

[todeen]

I couldn't find this thread the other day, shocking since there are a billion posts, but I also listed these in BST. Not mine. From a store in Wallace, ID. Contact info is in that thread. Store clerk said the consignor had more pennants not on display. Clerk knew nothing about baseball, so don't ask him questions. Try to get in contact with consignor. Dodgers pennant is purple.

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[erikc21]

I haven’t posted any pennants recently, but below are some I’ve obtained over the last few months.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Erik,
That Muskies pennant is incredible. I’ve never seen one. I don’t really look for Muskies stuff, but have some items. I pretty much stick to Mpls Lakers stuff. That Maple Leafs one is really nice too. Some of those used to have a team photo stapled on top where the box is. Others came without. Both had the same writing or print. Either way it awesome and in great shape for a white pennant.

[UKCardGuy]

I love that Phillies pennant Erik. It looks to be in great condition. Very nice pickup.

[thetahat]

Phillies pennant is extremely rare, and very cool ...

[Fballguy]

Very nice dude...Never saw that Muskies before. It's getting harder and harder to say that about a pennant.

[erikc21]

Thanks, guys. I don’t know if you all agree, but finding rare pennants or ‘good deals’ seems harder and harder. Now, if I only had a display like Jordan!

Any examples of similar pennants to the Phillies and Browns series?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by erikc21

Thanks, guys. I don’t know if you all agree, but finding rare pennants or ‘good deals’ seems harder and harder. Now, if I only had a display like Jordan!

Any examples of similar pennants to the Phillies and Browns series?

Here are a couple more ...

[thetahat]

Have a question, but first this nice addition, got a good deal for it. Tigers had such cool pennants and I loved how they often show the year. Also it is the first 1940-dated pennant for me. It led me to write down the pennants I have with years/dates ... my oldest dated pennant is from 1913, and I have at least one from 1939 through 1969 now, with the exception of 1952 and 1953. It then occurred to me ... I don’t think I’ve seen any dated pennants of any type from 1952 or 53. No dated scroll pennants, and I don’t think there are any WS pennants that denote these years. The Tigers dated their pennants up to 1951, I believe.

Anyone have a 1952 or 1953 dated baseball pennant? Curious ...

[perezfan]

There is a 1952 dated scroll pennant for the Brooklyn Dodgers with the Clown mascot. But like so many others, I sold it a few years back. One of about 25 that I really regret selling.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

There is a 1952 dated scroll pennant for the Brooklyn Dodgers with the Clown mascot. But like so many others, I sold it a few years back. One of about 25 that I really regret selling.

Ugh yes I have the 1952, forgot about it! So that leaves 1953 as the missing link. (Three upper tassels on this one!)

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Have a question, but first this nice addition, got a good deal for it. Tigers had such cool pennants and I loved how they often show the year. Also it is the first 1940-dated pennant for me. It led me to write down the pennants I have with years/dates ... my oldest dated pennant is from 1913, and I have at least one from 1939 through 1969 now, with the exception of 1952 and 1953. It then occurred to me ... I don’t think I’ve seen any dated pennants of any type from 1952 or 53. No dated scroll pennants, and I don’t think there are any WS pennants that denote these years. The Tigers dated their pennants up to 1951, I believe.

Anyone have a 1952 or 1953 dated baseball pennant? Curious ...

Nice pickup Greg... I sold that one too, a few months ago.

Amazing that you got a good deal on it.... prices are climbing fast, and seems impossible to win anything these days. Congrats- it's a beauty.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Have a question, but first this nice addition, got a good deal for it. Tigers had such cool pennants and I loved how they often show the year. Also it is the first 1940-dated pennant for me. It led me to write down the pennants I have with years/dates ... my oldest dated pennant is from 1913, and I have at least one from 1939 through 1969 now, with the exception of 1952 and 1953. It then occurred to me ... I don’t think I’ve seen any dated pennants of any type from 1952 or 53. No dated scroll pennants, and I don’t think there are any WS pennants that denote these years. The Tigers dated their pennants up to 1951, I believe. Anyone have a 1952 or 1953 dated baseball pennant? Curious ...

Amazing graphics! Replicating Cobb's charge into the stands to pummel a disabled heckler, perhaps?

[MK]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Have a question, but first this nice addition, got a good deal for it. Tigers had such cool pennants and I loved how they often show the year. Also it is the first 1940-dated pennant for me. It led me to write down the pennants I have with years/dates ... my oldest dated pennant is from 1913, and I have at least one from 1939 through 1969 now, with the exception of 1952 and 1953. It then occurred to me ... I don’t think I’ve seen any dated pennants of any type from 1952 or 53. No dated scroll pennants, and I don’t think there are any WS pennants that denote these years. The Tigers dated their pennants up to 1951, I believe.

Anyone have a 1952 or 1953 dated baseball pennant? Curious ...

Would this be the oldest dated pennant?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by MK

Would this be the oldest dated pennant?

Might be! Is that ‘06 or ‘08?

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by MK

Would this be the oldest dated pennant?

Mike: How was this '08 Cubs pennant made? Sewed letter, or screen printed?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by erikc21

Thanks, guys. I don’t know if you all agree, but finding rare pennants or ‘good deals’ seems harder and harder. Now, if I only had a display like Jordan!

Any examples of similar pennants to the Phillies and Browns series?

Here’s another pennant that seems to be from the same manufacturer, based on the texture of the screened letters. Boring but rare pennant

[ooo-ribay]

Have "we" (Domer) established who made these? I have quite a few variations with "overlapping" characteristics. I'm pretty sure the batter in the big ball was previously done as a Brooklyn pennant.

BTW - my BIL PDF'ed Kyle's blog into a 349 page document. I can't imagine what the copy center will want to print it in color. Let me see if it's worthwhile and I could probably send it to anyone who wants a copy. I envision a binder, with tabs for each manufacturer.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Have "we" (Domer) established who made these? I have quite a few variations with "overlapping" characteristics. I'm pretty sure the batter in the big ball was previously done as a Brooklyn pennant.

BTW - my BIL PDF'ed Kyle's blog into a 349 page document. I can't imagine what the copy center will want to print it in color. Let me see if it's worthwhile and I could probably send it to anyone who wants a copy. I envision a binder, with tabs for each manufacturer.

I think they fit the mold of those pennants that were displayed in that banquet picture someone posted awhile back, although these Giants pennants may be older. I believe the batter graphic is the same as that on the Phillies pennant.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Have "we" (Domer) established who made these? I have quite a few variations with "overlapping" characteristics. I'm pretty sure the batter in the big ball was previously done as a Brooklyn pennant.

I'm certain the first one is by Trench. Trench definitely used that quirky font in the 1950s. And, that baseball/moon-lit batter artwork is a known Trench design, too. We know it was used by Trench ca. 1950--Rick Levy found/posted a 1949 photo documenting this fact. I've seen it on many a Brooklyn Dodger pennant; but, never on a post-1958 Los Angeles Dodgers pennant. It was always monochrome when used on Brooklyn pennants. It was also used on some Yankees and Phillies pennants from what I assume to be the same era. Of note: the Phillies pennant was polychrome.

Interestingly, there's no New York Giants pennant featuring this moon-lit batter artwork; only San Francisco.

As to the others, the problem, for me, is that those latter SF Giants pennants in your evolution don't really look anything like what Trench was making for other teams in the 1960s--especially as concerns stadium pennants. The coloring, in particular, looks like it was applied with water colors, or a very translucent ink. It's also quite vibrant. Most likely these are by Trench, too; but ... I guess you couldn't exclude a copy cat by some bay area pennant maker that only made Giants pennants, right?

I just can't think of other Trench-made baseball pennants from the 1960s that resemble these....