Found this T206 missing magenta in my collection.

[Jantz]

Robert acknowledged that both Carrigans have glue residue on the backs.

So why do the fronts of these cards look so different?


Jantz

[iggyman]

Darn it Jantz, I now feel compelled to answer your question, too bad my peers will now lump me in with the long list of prior Net54ers who promise to never post again (yet continue to post) and threaten to leave the hobby (yet continue to post) due to a Wonkaticket barb.

Originally Posted by Jantz

Robert acknowledged that both Carrigans have glue residue on the backs.
So why do the fronts of these cards look so different?
Jantz

Robert also acknowledged that he was not sure if both cards were from the same collection. Plus, if you were a Doughboy in lets say 1917 and you ended-up with two T206 Carrigans; wouldn't only one of them be displayed in a picture frame or on top of your dresser, while the other might be safely tucked away in a scrapbook.

Lovely Day...

[obcmac]

Originally Posted by CaramelMan

is it obvious? please elaborate for us uninformed...i find it HIGHLY unlikely that a small dab of glue, that dries quickly, has the ability to make to most intense color (red) disappear....wouldnt you see the outline of the red lettering still on the jersey?

Well, generally you get missing red where you have glue. If the whole back was glued, then red is often missing from the whole card. I'll throw numbers out there...just guesses, so everyone can chime in if they feel like it.

10-20% of T206's have glue on the back
80%+ of missing red cards have glue/liquid staining

Do missing reds exist? Yeah...I think they do. Are a lot of so called missing reds a result of glue/chemical/water/sun? Yeah...probably. Everyone gets to make up their own mind, but I will pay a lot less for a stained missing red than a clean one.

Mac

[Runscott]

Robert, that's a great legitimate 'missing red ink' card. I've owned a few (have some now), but not where a team name was missing like this. Great find.

[Gradedcardman]

I'm with Wonka on that...bold statement considering the folks I know on this board.

[thehoodedcoder]

wonka, gradedcardman,

what is life if you don't live on the edge of it?

kevin

[Sean]

Originally Posted by iggyman

Okay, one last post before I let this thread recoil into the abyss.



For the record, did I once try to collect T206 magenta-less cards? Sure, I have a couple, mostly beaters. In due time, I realized they were not all that rare (at least not like a W554 Ruth with an ad back). Plus, I could never convince myself that I could adequately ascertain whether these cards came out of the factory without the magenta or the lack of red was caused by some form of exposure to light.


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Now you've got me questioning my missing ink card.

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[iggyman]

Sean,

Your T206 Beaumont is a cool card no matter what some guy with the first name of "Iggy" states on an internet forum. On a cold winters night, what better way to spend a romantic evening, then snuggling next to your wife/girlfriend and being able to reach into your stash of T206 cards and visually showing her(?) the two different color layers of a T206 card. Sean, you are a lucky guy............doesn't get any better.

Lovely Day...

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by Sean

Now you've got me questioning my missing ink card.

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you know damn well i want that beaumont card too. why would you do that to me.

kevin

[slidekellyslide]

I don't normally say this about a T206 thread, but this was a really interesting thread. I'm also perplexed why so many people are willing to pony up big cash for a card that is most likely damaged and not a factory error.

[aquarius31]

Sean, that's an interesting card. Here's another example which is now in an SGC slab graded "1" for obvious reasons. I was thinking that it would be graded "A" if there was some tampering with it but I'm really not sure. The bubbling does seem strange.

[iggyman]

Forgive my perturbed look, but I have been away from the hobby for the past 1.75 years and I am not really sure what the heck has been happening to magenta-less T206 cards. To state the obvious, Sean's T206 Beaumont has a pin-hole, implying it was once prominently displayed on a wall (I'm thinking barn). While George's T206 Beaumont was taken to school during a chemistry experiment gone awry. Neither of these cards came out of the factory looking that way.

Lovely Day...

[aquarius31]

Originally Posted by iggyman

While George's T206 Beaumont was taken to school during a chemistry experiment gone awry. Neither of these cards came out of the factory looking that way.

Lovely Day...

LOL I'm glad I was able to contribute to a T206 thread

[philliesfan]

For those with the glue on back theory - If the glue on the reverse affects the red on the front would it only affect the red from where the glue is on the reverse? What I mean is part of the orange on the front has NO glue residue on the back. Does the glue in the upper half of the card magically extract the red from the bottom portion?
Thanks,
Robert

[philliesfan]

For those with the sunlight theory - Yes I guess it is possible......however, I think you would see a faint outline of the lettering which is not visible on the Carrigan.

The glue on the reverse to me would mean it was in a scrapbook which I doubt was left open to that page for an extended period of time in the sunlight.

Robert

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

wonka, gradedcardman,

what is life if you don't live on the edge of it?

kevin

I wouldn't know I live such a boring life, you go rock star.

[ZenPop]

...but I thought this amazing find would be of interest to you all...

I just found these in my backyard...
A couple of things stand out...

• I've never seen these kind of variants... obviously printing plate missing on the first two...

• Strange that they're creased in the exact same spot.

• Clearly the one on the right was a result of sun damage.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by philliesfan

For those with the sunlight theory - Yes I guess it is possible......however, I think you would see a faint outline of the lettering which is not visible on the Carrigan.

The glue on the reverse to me would mean it was in a scrapbook which I doubt was left open to that page for an extended period of time in the sunlight.

Robert

Didn't you know? Glue and/or sunlight both totally suck all traces of magenta right off of cardboard - sunlight accomplishes this feat from the front, glue from the back. It's true. You could test it yourself, but the tests take a long time to run. How long? Nobody really knows, but if you go read old hobby publications, you'll probably see stories about 'red background' cards that have glue on the back and the magenta appears to be slowly evaporating

It was a huge mystery back in the day, but nature's testing is finally completed.

[Gradedcardman]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

I wouldn't know I live such a boring life, you go rock star.

And I just woke up from my nap...who's the man !!

[thehoodedcoder]

im still not caught up from the national. we got in at 12am. crashed out. got up at 5am. went to work. and only slept from 12am to 6am every day this week.

i can't wait till tonight to get caught up.

kevin

[CW]

Nice color variations, John!

[ZenPop]

It's amazing what you can find in your own backyard! (or laptop)