First-ever SGC 10 Wilt Chamberlain Rookie Graded

[Tabe]

Found "in the cabinet of a grocery store", SGC has graded their first perfect 10 Wilt rookie:

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...-earns-sgc-10/

Per the article, an SGC 9 sold for $159k two years ago. Any ideas on what this one will fetch?

[jbsports33]

I just ended up reading this, interesting - I wish the Mikan RC I found a few years back was a "10" cool story !

[bxb]

What did any of the 3 PSA 10s sell for?

[SyrNy1960]

Gorgeous Clean Card!

[Snapolit1]

I had I randomly submitted that there is exactly a .00000001% chance I would have gotten a 10.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

I had I randomly submitted that there is exactly a .00000001% chance I would have gotten a 10.

What are you "seeing" or perceiving in the card that you feel disqualifies it for a 10? The image is small but what am I missing?

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by bxb

What did any of the 3 PSA 10s sell for?

I'm not seeing any sales of the PSA 10s, but here's what the 9s have been going for:

2018: $33,000
2019: $40,000
2020: $75,000
2021: $375,000
2022: $348,000
2023: $198,000

So, extrapolating from PSA 9 and SGC 9 to SGC 10 and from 2 years ago to today, I'd guess the SGC 10 at auction today would fetch $225,0000 (and would have approached $500,000 a couple of years ago).

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

I'm not seeing any sales of the PSA 10s, but here's what the 9s have been going for:

2018: $33,000
2019: $40,000
2020: $75,000
2021: $375,000
2022: $348,000
2023: $198,000

So, extrapolating from PSA 9 and SGC 9 to SGC 10 and from 2 years ago to today, I'd guess the SGC 10 at auction today would fetch $225,0000 (and would have approached $500,000 a couple of years ago).

Lol. You're about $1 million short there

[Snowman]

I put the over under line at $1,250,000

I also think this one crosses to PSA 10. It is without question the nicest example in existence.

[tjisonline]

Originally Posted by bxb

What did any of the 3 PSA 10s sell for?

Hard to find that info. Mastronet sold 2 of the PSA 10s in the late 2000s so prob trimmed or whatever. Can’t even find pics of them. At least of 1 them is in a PSA 1961 Fleer Set Registry

[Carter08]

Holy cow. I’d guess that’s a 7 figure card for sure. Or it would be in a psa slab anyway. In an sgc slab, still close to a million at the least. Cool card no matter what it’s worth.

[JustinD]

Sgc’s announcement-

https://x.com/sgcgrading/status/1826986017460514912

I posted this last Saturday in the basketball section, but there’s only a few of us over there. Lol.

[Lucas00]

I saw the submitters profile, looks like a regular guy. He posted this picture as well of before it was graded, which isn't something usually seen for these crazy finds.

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

I saw the submitters profile, looks like a regular guy. He posted this picture as well of before it was graded, which isn't something usually seen for these crazy finds.

If I pulled that no way could I get it into a card saver......would not have sufficient motor skills

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[Lucas00]

I'd guess a million on the dot.

[JollyElm]

If it goes to auction we have to have a contest to guess the hammer price. There would have to be a minimum of $50 or $100K between people's guesses to avoid encroachment.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Guess is the operative word. There's just no basis to value this card, it could go anywhere in a very large range depending on which elite buyers really want it.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Guess is the operative word. There's just no basis to value this card, it could go anywhere in a very large range depending on which elite buyers really want it.

Come on and play. There are still lots of numbers not taken. I will give my guess after you so you have more choices.

If someone can put a value on a Stahl Meyer Mantle 9 surely with the data available on Chamberlain rookies, a price point could be reasonably established, no?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Come on and play. There are still lots of numbers not taken. I will give my guess after you so you have more choices.

If someone can put a value on a Stahl Meyer Mantle 9 surely with the data available on Chamberlain rookies, a price point could be reasonably established, no?

I feel like a contestant on The Price is Right. Is it safe to assume PSA declined to put it in a 10 holder? If I had an SGC 10 of this card I would sure try.

[Lucas00]

It looks so damn good in that sgc case. Nothing beats proper contrast. Makes nice cards look even nicer and makes you forget the hunk of plastic is around it.
Literally makes the card look like a museum exhibit. Personally can't say the same with PSA, which to me are just inferior cgc cases in terms of eye appeal at this point. What a registry would do..

[ClementeFanOh]

Lucas- Agreed. Since the topic was informative about the new grade and a
question about it's potential value, "what if" remarks about hypothetical PSA
grades miss the point. The card looks great in the slab it's actually inhabiting,
and conjecture about the ways PSA would screw up the grade aren't relevant.
Be interesting to monitor this one and see how it turns out! Trent King

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

It looks so damn good in that sgc case. Nothing beats proper contrast. Makes nice cards look even nicer and makes you forget the hunk of plastic is around it.
Literally makes the card look like a museum exhibit. Personally can't say the same with PSA, which to me are just inferior cgc cases in terms of eye appeal at this point. What a registry would do..

IMO nobody is paying $1 million or more based on how it looks in a particular slab. They are paying because they think it's a good value proposition. PSA 10s are just worth more than SGC 10s, much more usually, regardless of some romantic collector notions.

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

IMO nobody is paying $1 million or more based on how it looks in a particular slab. They are paying because they think it's a good value proposition. PSA 10s are just worth more than SGC 10s, much more usually, regardless of some romantic collector notions.

Maybe true, but It just depends on the type of collector. If someone has a million to spend and is a true collector who wants a 10 I don't see why they would care about the value discrepancy. It's funny to me how most people will admit sgc does look better for vintage cards, but also agree psa does/should hold more value. Just weird.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

Maybe true, but It just depends on the type of collector. If someone has a million to spend and is a true collector who wants a 10 I don't see why they would care about the value discrepancy. It's funny to me how most people will admit sgc does look better for vintage cards, but also agree psa does/should hold more value. Just weird.

At auction, it takes more than one person, and his personal sentiments, to drive the final price.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

Maybe true, but It just depends on the type of collector. If someone has a million to spend and is a true collector who wants a 10 I don't see why they would care about the value discrepancy. It's funny to me how most people will admit sgc does look better for vintage cards, but also agree psa does/should hold more value. Just weird.

I don’t think it’s weird. One, PSA has a registry that a great many people care about a ton (I don’t). Two, I think the general consensus or at least my thought is that sgc is a bit more lenient at least when it comes to recent grades. There are opposite examples of course but for the most part if you seek out a card in a specific grade the new grade psas are better looking than their sgc counterparts with the same grade.

[JustinD]

I agree that PSA may have been a better choice as 1961 is such a huge registry set.

I also agree that mint 1961s look 10 times better in an Sgc slab.

I think we may soon see it in one because this is honestly a Ken Kendrick level card and we know there are a couple buyers like himself that would change it for the registry. I also know that if Kendrick sends it and I send it, the 10 is a slam dunk for him. For me…maybe.

This is for vintage bball collectors like myself a choice I would take over a 52 Mantle, Joe Jackson, pick your poison. This is a hobby changing card in my mind. No one is going to sleep on it because you want this one. I honestly think a better example will never be found, this is the complete holy grail/needle in a haystack.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

IMO nobody is paying $1 million or more based on how it looks in a particular slab. They are paying because they think it's a good value proposition. PSA 10s are just worth more than SGC 10s, much more usually, regardless of some romantic collector notions.

Agree. And while this card looks fabulous, I don't think it comes close to 1 million.

[ahmanfan]

I think this could get you 2 mill.


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[Bigdaddy]

Wait, aren't PSA and SGC brothers now? At least half-brothers. There's a non-zero possibility that the decision as to which company should grade the card was made higher up the ladder (Collectors Universe) than at PSA or SGC.

Either way, it is a wonderful, unique card. Congratulations to the current owner and future owner.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Wait, aren't PSA and SGC brothers now? At least half-brothers. There's a non-zero possibility that the decision as to which company should grade the card was made higher up the ladder (Collectors Universe) than at PSA or SGC.

Either way, it is a wonderful, unique card. Congratulations to the current owner and future owner.

I don't follow this. If you submit to SGC, it gets graded by SGC, there is no decision as to who should grade it.

[Bigdaddy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't follow this. If you submit to SGC, it gets graded by SGC, there is no decision as to who should grade it.

Sure, that is true for your and my cards. But this card is unique in the hobby.
I'm just not ruling it out.

[G1911]

The possibility this was submitted to/for PSA and the parent company sent it to SGC instead is exactly zero. That is not how it works and there is no evidence whatsoever that it is and nobody will produce anything but a hot take.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Sure, that is true for your and my cards. But this card is unique in the hobby.
I'm just not ruling it out.

As you wish but it didn't happen.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Bigdaddy

Sure, that is true for your and my cards. But this card is unique in the hobby.
I'm just not ruling it out.

And we cannot rule out that everything that is going on right now is just some collective dream that we are all part of.

I am with the others that your suggestion is nothing more than fantasy. No secret behind the scenes meeting with the top brass at Collectors making these decisions. Hate to rain on your parade but this was nothing more than the owner deciding to submit his find to SGC.

[Lucas00]

Severe downgrade. Done for the $ only. Doesn't look nearly as nice as SGC. Bummer.

[bxb]

Some very high end collectors prefer the uniformity of having all their cards in PSA holders.

[calvindog]

The massive effort to gin up interest to make a profit on an investment never ceases to amaze me. Now a sockpuppet?

[Beercan collector]

7006750 was still listed on SGC last night but gone this morning !
nice

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

7006750 was still listed on SGC last night but gone this morning !
nice

When I tried to turn in some flips to SGC at the National this summer, they refused to accept them and said they would not deactivate the certs nor remove them from the pop report. I guess they made an exception for such a high profile card.