Hey, pennant guys

[ooo-ribay]

Need opinions on this one. Supposedly from 1958. I'm not 100% convinced of either vintage or authenticity...

[erikc21]

Some additions I’ve grabbed over the last few months. Minnesota Pride

[bocca001]

Nice, Erik! I really like the top one.

[erikc21]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Nice, Erik! I really like the top one.

Thanks, Marc! I hadn’t sent that particular version before, so I was happy to find it.

[perezfan]

I love it too...

The St. Louis Browns used that same design, and then the Orioles continued with it. Both are toughies, but not as rare as yours. Anyway, that pins it to the early-to-mid 1950s time frame.

Sweet pennants, Erik!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Have a few pennants in my current auction mostly 60's - 80's. First Year Expos is pretty cool.

[erikc21]

Very nice pickup Rob! Great condition!

[jimm]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Awesome sir

[bocca001]

This one just arrived today, from Scott's auction.

It's like a projective test for Giants fans. Is the batter descending into the Candlestick turf or ascending?

I'm guessing that this was probably the last apperance of the classic left handed pennant batter on a Giants pennant, early to mid 70s given the closed in Candlestick. So I'm going with descending.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by bocca001

This one just arrived today, from Scott's auction.

It's like a projective test for Giants fans. Is the batter descending into the Candlestick turf or ascending?

I'm guessing that this was probably the last apperance of the classic left handed pennant batter on a Giants pennant, early to mid 70s given the closed in Candlestick. So I'm going with descending.

Looks more like Busch Stadium than any version of Candlestick--open or closed.

[bocca001]

That's funny. I admit that I didn't look at the stadium very closely. It really doesn't look like Candlestick (among other things, the tall light polls are missing and the overall shape is wrong).

I know that this pennant isn't common. I wonder if this is part of a series and whether any other teams ended up with the Busch-like stadium.

[ooo-ribay]

I have a moth eaten version in reversed colors. And I just noticed it's probably trimmed, too.

[pologrounds]

No doubt you have seen the same football player on circa 1910 college football pennants. These are two (2) different 1905 pillow covers by same artist. Courtesy photos: Mayseum, Daly City, California.

[bocca001]

This one just arrived. My baseball player kid really likes these Colt 45s pennants with guns shooting baseballs.

[STATEgrad04]

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[STATEgrad04]

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[Fballguy]

Nice pick up...Your first pic and second pick are in vastly different realms of value.

[mlbgamejerseys]

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These are awesome!

[bocca001]

I was looking at some of my Santa Clara football pennants tonight and was wondering about the generic runner/kicker/passer images on them. I have several pennants that include a generic player image (see below). I've seen most of these same images used for other teams, but not the first one (I admit that I haven't serched extensively).

I was curious if anyone has a pennant with this same runner image?

I'm also curious to hear what people think about which one of these pennants might be the oldest.

[Teamgluck]

Originally Posted by STATEgrad04

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Beautiful Pennants! They are all Collegiate of Ames and they only made 4 MLB pennants.
Brooklyn Dodgers
New York Giants
New York Yankees
and .... Boston Red Sox

[bocca001]

I just added the middle 49ers pennant to my collection. About the only vintage piece I've been able to add lately.

I also added the more modern white Astros pennant (below). This pennant is more difficult to find than you'd think, especially in decent condition (see the yellowed version above it). Love the tequlia sunrise colors, and the Astrodome (which dominates most Astros pennants of the era) is nowhere to be seen. Because the Astros version has been so tough to find, I went ahead and picked up a clean version of the Giants pennant (I think it is the same series). I believe that these date to 1982/1983, as there are a number of similar looking Phillies world champs pennants for sale on eBay.

[Bignoff]

[attach]379158 sorry about the technical difficulties, but was wondering about the history of this 26 inch oddball

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Bignoff

[attach]379158 sorry about the technical difficulties, but was wondering about the history of this 26 inch oddball

Very nice, never saw this one before!

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Bignoff

[attach]379158 sorry about the technical difficulties, but was wondering about the history of this 26 inch oddball

Sweeeeeeet…. did you win it? I was high underbidder, and was sad to lose out.

Looks to be late 1940s - early '50s, and a rare depiction of the mischievous Brownie. I've only seen it a couple of times in 30+ years of collecting pennants. Great score, if you got it!

[thetahat]

So it turns out I know nothing about pennants. Looking through my tubs, I came across others with the exact same 1969 trademark, but not cloth. One is softer felt (Expos) and the other is board-stiff (Padres). So I am guessing that trademark was also used beyond 1969. But then I don’t know how that explains pennants with the same TM but dated 1970.

Here’s my question. Did the same company make both Pilots pennants? My guess is ‘no’.

[perezfan]

Greg- I have that white/cream colored Padres pennant, but it's on the nice soft cloth material you're seeking. I believe it to be the earliest Padres Pennant, and their best (IMHO). Earliest version of "The Swinging Friar" and it has stayed perfectly clean, which is saying something for a white pennant. Never bleached, no fraying, and remains in great shape.

While I really like it, I could sell/trade it to you (for a reasonable price) if you're interested. I need to thin out, and seems like this one belongs with you. Just PM if interested.

Also... I would vote that those 2 Pilots Pennants are indeed from different makers.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Greg- I have that white/cream colored Padres pennant, but it's on the nice soft cloth material you're seeking. I believe it to be the earliest Padres Pennant, and their best (IMHO). Earliest version of "The Swinging Friar" and it has stayed perfectly clean, which is saying something for a white pennant. Never bleached, no fraying, and remains in great shape.

While I really like it, I could sell/trade it to you (for a reasonable price) if you're interested. I need to thin out, and seems like this one belongs with you. Just PM if interested.

Also... I would vote that those 2 Pilots Pennants are indeed from different makers.

Thanks Mark! Yes I think that’s their first pennant, too ...

[Bignoff]

Yes , that was me. I’m always on the hunt for the Browns and couldn’t help myself.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Bignoff

Yes , that was me. I’m always on the hunt for the Browns and couldn’t help myself.

Sweet... Awesome Brownie Mascot... Congrats!

[perezfan]

When digging through some bins today, I found a couple of pennants pertinent to the recent discussion.

First is the "alternate" version Red Sox from the amazing 1951 series.

Second is a rare version 1940s-'50s Browns Pennant with an unusual Pixie Mascot. Has anybody ever seen this one before? I cannot recall seeing another.

[brad15]

3000

[perezfan]

Ok it’s a bit confusing with two different “type pennants” being discussed. First we have the ribbed spine/tassel series. The red Colt .45s pennant belongs to this series, and is the immediate precursor to the Astros’ Astronaut pennant.

Then we have the zigzag spine series. I am positive that the Batting Sock pennant is part of this series. The felt has the same texture and thickness. And the zigzag stitching is identical to the Reds and Angels examples. In addition, look how similar the city name font looks on the Reds and Red Sox examples. Hope this serves to clarify.

Now Baseball Rob... your job (should you choose to accept it) is to go out and find both Giants examples. The Mission Impossible reference seemed appropriate!

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Ok it’s a bit confusing with two different “type pennants” being discussed. First we have the ribbed spine/tassel series. The red Colt .45s pennant belongs to this series, and is the immediate precursor to the Astros’ Astronaut pennant.

Then we have the zigzag spine series. I am positive that the Batting Sock pennant is part of this series. The felt has the same texture and thickness. And the zigzag stitching is identical to the Reds and Angels examples. In addition, look how similar the city name font looks on the Reds and Red Sox examples. Hope this serves to clarify.

Now Baseball Rob... your job (should you choose to accept it) is to go out and find both Giants examples. The Mission Impossible reference seemed appropriate!

I'm confused too..So Mark, are you saying both Colt's images I posted are from the same set..One full and one mini? Both the ribbed spine/tassels series?

And I think Chris is saying is that his Reds isn't zig zagged. Or is he referring to something else?

Who's on first?

Let's call the whole thing off!

[bocca001]

The full size Colts pennant is from the ribbed tassels/spine maker.

The design of the smaller Colts pennant sure seems to match the Astronaut and Oilers pennants I posted earlier (from the ribbed series).

So, yes, it appears that they may be from the same maker. A maker who did not make very many pennants, because all of these appear to be rare.

[thetahat]

The large Colt 45s is unquestionably a Keezer, and I agree that it was the precursor to the astronaut Astros. Observe the font of HOUSTON. It’s possible that the zig zag pennants are also Keezer - they are similar in many ways - just don’t know for sure. I have a zigzag White Sox that I’ll post when I return home.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Ok it’s a bit confusing with two different “type pennants” being discussed. First we have the ribbed spine/tassel series. The red Colt .45s pennant belongs to this series, and is the immediate precursor to the Astros’ Astronaut pennant.

Then we have the zigzag spine series. I am positive that the Batting Sock pennant is part of this series. The felt has the same texture and thickness. And the zigzag stitching is identical to the Reds and Angels examples. In addition, look how similar the city name font looks on the Reds and Red Sox examples. Hope this serves to clarify.

Now Baseball Rob... your job (should you choose to accept it) is to go out and find both Giants examples. The Mission Impossible reference seemed appropriate!

White Sox pennant with the zigzag stitch

[Bumpus Jones]

Nice and then there were 4!

[Duluth Eskimo]

Mark,
That “1931” A’s pennant looks like your 1936 Yankees pennant. I have not seen that A’s pennant before.

[Fredskinz]

Won this in Huggins and Scott’s auction the other day. Wondering if you guys had thoughts on what it is? I found an old thread on here regarding what seems like a similar DeMar pennant but I can’t see the photos for some reason.

Contacted the guy who wrote the book on pennants and he doesn’t know what it is. Anyways, any thoughts would be appreciated.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by Fredskinz

Won this in Huggins and Scott’s auction the other day. Wondering if you guys had thoughts on what it is? I found an old thread on here regarding what seems like a similar DeMar pennant but I can’t see the photos for some reason.

Contacted the guy who wrote the book on pennants and he doesn’t know what it is. Anyways, any thoughts would be appreciated.

Cool pennant, congratulations! We did discuss this very pennant and manufacturer over on pages 40-41 of this thread. The picture of that pennant is still up, in fact. It's identical to yours, to include the maker's mark by DeMar Mfg. Co. of Buffalo, NY.

That "reverse direction" style was offered by several manufacturers in the 1910s and 1920s, which is when I'd date your pennant to have been made.

But is it a Pittsburgh Pirates baseball pennant, I think your question is? I think the consensus was: probably not. I've seen more than a dozen pennants from that era by DeMar, and nearly all were travel/souvenir pennants. No professional sports teams. One or two pennants that could have been collegiate pennants, e.g., a blue and gold sewn letter "MICHIGAN" pennant. But that's it.

The challenge with pennants from the early 20th century is that travel/souvenir pennants were far, far more common than professional baseball pennants, which were actually quite rare. I think the consensus of people on this thread is: it's a travel/souvenir pennant until you can produce a photo of somebody in the ballpark waving said pennant.

But hey, it's a cool pennant either way. Hang it in a room full of Pirates stuff, like your Honus Wagner T206 baseball cards, and it will look even better!

[cincicards]

Not really a pennant collector, but I have these ads saved:


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[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by cincicards

Not really a pennant collector, but I have these ads saved:


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Very interesting. It proves your DETROIT is a baseball pennant. There had been some differing opinions on those.

[Baseballcrazy62]

Not sure if I posted this recent pick up here.

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[perezfan]

Sweet pickup Mike!

I've never collected Basketball, but if I did, that one would be a "Top 5".

[erikc21]

Ah, misunderstood at first... sounds sketchy

[erikc21]

Well I’m color blind so all this color talk of shoes and color schemes is boring...

But I do appreciate everybody’s thoughts and responses. And I hadn’t thought about the lack of consistency that surly existed when these pennants were produced. How cool would it have been to be at one of those manufactures during their heyday!?

[erikc21]

These are truly amazing to see. Especially this last picture! Thanks to all who have provided photos for us to appreciate and learn!

[mitleth]

Hey all,

I am starting to sort through about 60 pennants given to my wife and I after a grandfather passed away a few years back. There are about 30 collegiate pennants.

Rumor has it, he would go to Nebraska Cornhusker games and buy the pennant of the opposing team as a souvenir. We'll, I did some looking to try and verify that. According to that logic, this Syracuse pennant would be from 1961.

Does that timeline add up based on the look of the pennant?

Thanks!

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[Teamgluck]

Originally Posted by mitleth

Hey all,

I am starting to sort through about 60 pennants given to my wife and I after a grandfather passed away a few years back. There are about 30 collegiate pennants.

Rumor has it, he would go to Nebraska Cornhusker games and buy the pennant of the opposing team as a souvenir. We'll, I did some looking to try and verify that. According to that logic, this Syracuse pennant would be from 1961.

Does that timeline add up based on the look of the pennant?

Thanks!

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Looks like it

[erikc21]

Hey guys -

I always say I’m going to post more often, but It feels like my New Year’s resolution goals...I wanted to post another ‘before and after’ bleach cleaning. The first photo was taken in poor lighting with and old iPhone. The middle photo is the final product taken in better lighting with an new iPhone that seems to make everything brighter. Regardless, the pennant is much improved. The last photo shows what the back of the pennant where I didn’t apply bleach to.

I’ve made mistakes of spraying bleach too close to the spine in the past, so I applied the tape much further down the pennant. I’m still using the spray with water, spray with bleach, spray with water approach. Is that what you all do who attempt this? I let the bleach stay on the pennant for only a few minutes. I continue to stay away from red, but it looked like a Phillies pennant turned out pretty good recently.