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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: MVSNYC
i will be down in NC next week...maybe Brian and myself could rummage thru some factories... |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Scot Reader
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
See the smoke emanating from the L&M smokestack....that's all the remaning Ty Cobb "SMOKING Tobacco" |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: JimB
Ted, |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Dave Hornish
Here are a couple of interesting links: |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Dave Hornish
Sorry, should shown this with the other links: |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Continuing on your post (3/10) here on this thread..... |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Scot Reader
Ted, |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Scot Reader
This 1924 phonebook page from the Durham Chamber of Commerce is also interesting. 1924 is of course after the 1911 breakup of ATC. The phonebook page separately lists the L&M factory on Main Street (see the above photo) and an ATC factory on PETTIGREW Street. One possible scenario is that in response to the 1911 breakup (that is, post-T206) ATC moved its operations to Pettigrew Street while L&M stayed at the Main Street facility. And, along with a new facility, there was a need for a new factory number. Could this be the origin of the mysterious Factory 33? Perhaps--and if so it would render Cobb w/Cobb back a NON-T206. Note that this sequence of events is consistent with the 1927 production at Factory 33 revealed by Jon. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: T206Collector
...to anybody who joined in my petition to remove the Cobb/Cobb back from SGC's T206 set registry. They have apparently done so -- though they have not yet renumbered the cards accordingly. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: barrysloate
On another thread on this board, "Welcome Back Mr. Lemke", Bob states that if he were still involved in the Standard Catalog, he had planned to move the Red Cobb with Ty Cobb back out of T206 and into its own category. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: JimB
Well then I am glad he is not still involved with the Standard Catalog since such a change would be made without any definative evidence that would demand such a change. Until some evidence appears, I see no reason to change the designation. Ted always likes to talk about dinausors. Well the real dinausors of the hobby considered it a T206. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I am curious on your thoughts on the origin of this Ty Cobb card ? |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Joe D.
I just got back with my time machine and have some answers.... |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Brian Weisner
Hi Joe D, |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Your apology notwithstanding......I find your comments regarding Bob Lemke ridiculous and very self-serving. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Eric Pugh
what do you all think of the investment potential of this particular card? |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Jantz
Anyone want to make a guess on how many were printed? |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Anthony S.
Wow, that's a bump. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: barrysloate
I might have started a new thread rather than bump up a year and half old one. I saw my name at the top of the board with 118 posts and didn't know why. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Eric Pugh
sorry about that - i should have started a new thread. i was perusing old great threads and replied to this thread on a whim. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: barrysloate
No problem Eric. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Joe D.
Eric - |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: dan mckee
I like this Barry! If I buy on, I can cross this off of my want list. Was there ever a Ty Cobb brand tobacco small box issued? Similar to the 10 cigarettes ones that held T206's? I think that may help nix this card from the set if only the tin has been found. Dan. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: marshall barkman
In regards to the comment"are you afraid the card's value will go down if it was removed from the set" that i read from a member to the gentleman who owns a Ty Cobb backed card is riduculous and shows the general mentality of this board amongst certain individuals. I would venture to say that if a individual can afford to purchase a Ty Cobb backed card their is probably little in life that they fear. You don't make mad cash being afraid Boooyyyyyyy. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: barrysloate
Everyone agrees it is a significant card and a great rarity. The debate is whether or not it is correctly part of the T206 set. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: marshall barkman
My vote is yes. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Joe D.
Marshall - I agree that it is part of the T206 set. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: marshall barkman
I will contact one of my sources and see if he has any info in regards to the advertising. I just recently aquired his personal pipe and tobacco tin that was sold at Sotheby's, it was a prize that i really never on intended of getting rid of but a 1 of a kind photo came available and i traded for it. Cobb is my favorite player and baseball would not be where it is today if it were not for him hence my post. I am currently watching Mercedes sway and she is looking at the screen asking who the F is Ty Cobb. Ya gotta love it! I'll post back on my findings and try and track down a answer. Adios and here we go SUPER CHARGERS! Later. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Eric Pugh
in my research going through old posts last night, I believe Ted Z somehow determined that the cobb/cobb was indeed printed prior to 1912. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: dan mckee
Ouch! I think I am bleeding out of the corner of my mouth. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Wesley
It is doubtful the Ty Cobb back is part of the T206 set. I agree with Scot Reader's reasoning from 2007: |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: dan mckee
Wes, Wagner exists on a strip with other known T206 cards. Dan. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Wesley
Dan, Is there concensus that the Wagner strip is a legitimate issue? I remember threads from a few years ago questioning that strip's orgin. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: PC
On Scot Reader's analysis, which I think is correct, the Cobb/Cobb back is not part of the T206 set. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: dan mckee
Weren't the coupons issued a few years later? 1914ish? Though I am with you in your thinking. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Wesley
Here you go, Dan. In this old thread, Ted Z among others describe the strip as a "printing impossibility" rather than a production piece. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: dan mckee
I can't get the entire thread up Wes. I hate the search feature here, or I ma just stupid. Don't answer that. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Brian
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Greg Ecklund
The arguments to include this card in the T206 set seem flimsy at best - if the card wasn't distributed in the same manner as the rest of the set then the argument for including it doesn't hold water. Plus the legit backs of the T206 set have a number of different subjects on the front - that the Cobb back has only the red Cobb front would classify it as more of a promotional card in my book. I don't collect T206 and don't have much interest in ever putting the set together, so I have no skin in the game in that regard. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Dave Hornish
Dan-not stupid, just Net54 clumsiness.....stupid software....once you get a search up, in the url/address bar substitute "thread" for "message"--just back out the latter and replace with the former and the whole thread will appear. |
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Further Thoughts about Red Cobb with Cobb back
Posted By: Jon Canfield
Dan - nope not all T206's were issued in 10 count slide and shell boxes... Most notably, Polar Bear (which were in tobacco pouches). Also, if subscribe to the possibility that Coupon cigarettes should be part of the T206 set, then they also don't fit the mold as Coupon only had soft packs, not slide and shells. Also, the type of packaging deviates in the T206 from typical slide and shells (SC, Piedmont, etc) to clam shell designs (EPDG). |
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