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About soaking cards
Posted By: E, Daniel
Paul, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: MVSNYC
yes frank, you may unfold the folded card... |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: JimCrandell
Ryan, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: T206Collector
Daniel, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: JimCrandell
Scott, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: T206Collector
[Sorry if I cannot be more articulate--I just think that anything done to change a card is wrong and soaking changes the card--what else do you want me to say?] |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: barrysloate
Daniel- depending upon how tightly the cards are glued down, if you remove them from an album without soaking them you may destroy every one of them. That can't be a good plan. And for those who aren't aware- if you studied paper restoration and conservation, soaking and cleaning are standard accepted practices. I realize that baseball cards are different than say posters or albumen photographs, where conservation and repair are more the norm. But soaking to remove glue is a time tested process. Does it alter the card in any way? Same exact card, just without the paper and glue. Seems reasonable to me (but obviously not to all). |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: scott brockelman
After much reading and thought on this, I believe I have the reason the 3 or 4 people in the thread are staunchly against soaking. |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: JimCrandell
Paul, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: E, Daniel
I don't know Paul, run the numbers by me again |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: JimCrandell
Daniel, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: T206Collector
...my position is easy. I just adhere to whatever PSA and SGC say is okay. Before I began spending oodles of money on graded T206 cards, I made sure that the industry standard for grading was something that I agreed with. No on trimming, color added; yes on water soaking. Those are the big ones for me. I never would have soaked my first card if it wouldn't get slabbed by SGC -- I'd have left the paper on the back. And I've known trimming and color adding has been a no no since a dealer wouldn't buy my 1986 Fleer Jose Canseco card after I colored in the corners and trimmed off an edge circa 1988. |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: jackgoodman
Let me try to bottom line this: |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: T206Collector
Jim, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
That is how little children do it... they just pretend something isn't there... |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: JimCrandell
Jack, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: T206Collector
Jack, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: T206Collector
[I thought in many cases you can tell if the card has been soaked] |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Maybe put some sort of ultaviolet dye in all oceans, lakes, creeks, rivers, clouds, puddles and ponds. Then, if some rascal uses water on a card, the card cops can catch 'em. Distribution of that dye would be a good job for that "where do we go from here" committee that's going to police slabbers and auction houses. |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: MVSNYC
Scott- |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Paul, Jack, there's an old saying back in Kentucky about wasting time like that. |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: JimCrandell
Frank, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: jackgoodman
Jim, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
I've become old and intollerant of some forms of foolishness. That is one of the things wrong with me. |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: JimCrandell
Jack, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: scott brockelman
People like yourself are the reason SOME people alter cards, I am not talking about soaking cards at this point, but many of the other aberations you bring up. Greed. You are willing to pay ridiculous prices to satisfy your ego and registry set without learning what you are buying. YOU and others like you are what illicit dealers in ALL hobbys thrive on, an uneducated collector with big bucks looking to buy high grade material with out questioning the item. It's a viscious cirle and your caught up in it. |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Amen, Scott. |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: barrysloate
Jim- if you found an album of baseball cards and the cards were glued in and you preferred to have them out of the album, what would you do? After all, it is your album and you are free to remove them. I think you are looking at this issue in the eyes of a PSA-8 collector, and are assuming glued cards will suddenly turn into into NR MT/MT cards and find their way into holders. What if the cards, even after they are removed, would still be no better than good or very good? Why can't a collector feel free to take them out? |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: T206Collector
[were you insinuating that grading companies are OK with people soaking cards? maybe some soaked cards have "slid" by the graders, but i guarentee if the grading companies are asked about "soaking", they would consider that altering a card...guaranteed.] |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: T206Collector
What Scott said. |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: jackgoodman
Jim, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: JimCrandell
Scott, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: T206Collector
Do you think anyone wants to be in your Committee when you make ignorant comments like: "The PSA 8 and above collectors I consider to be the backbone of the hobby." |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: Ryan Christoff
Remind me to take anything you say with a grain of salt. Your guarantee is absolutely worthless. Whatever credibility you may have had just went out the window. You can't just drop words like "guarantee" into a conversation on a whim, knowing nothing about the thing you claim to guarantee. Wait, actually you can, but then your word becomes meaningless. |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: JimCrandell
paul, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: JimCrandell
Paul, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: Blach
There just hasn't been enough rancor on this thread so I thought I'd wade in. |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: barrysloate
No need to insult the collectors of lower grade cards. The PSA-2 collector is just as passionate as the PSA-8 collector. |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: MVSNYC
Ryan- |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: scott brockelman
Sorry to say I don't alter any cards, I have soaked some off paper and I have erased a few stray pencil marks but thats about it and you know what PSA and SGC graded them all. |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: E, Daniel
Hi Blach, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: John S
Jim, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: JimCrandell
Blach, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: T206Collector
...collecting with your PSA 8 and above friends. I'm done responding to your posts. |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: Rhett Yeakley
Scott, I love the Hot Dog comparison. Does anybody know what they put in hot dogs? (If not see the movie "The Great Outdoors" with John Candy) |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: JimCrandell
John S, |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
To say the low to mid-grade collector is becoming less important to the hobby, when you're on a message board full of low-to-mid-grade collectors is pretty unfair. It is also untrue. Low to mid grade cards sell with greater frequency every single day, and the pool of buyers is much, much greater in size than the pool of high-grade buyers. It is also the reason you're getting a hard time on this topic, Jim, because the likelihood that a PSA 8 T206 has been soaked off an album page is, in my opinion, pretty damn close to 100%. |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: Blach
Excuse me Mr. Crandall! |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: Peter_Spaeth
Y'all ought to just agree to disagree. Neither group is going to convince the other. Personally I don't see any problem with soaking a card in water to remove glue or paper, because I have not heard any compelling evidence that it changes the card in any way, and many knowledgeable and experienced people are saying it doesn't. But it doesn't bother me if others feel differently. |
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About soaking cards
Posted By: Bob Pomilla
" Almost every card I have bought I could sell at a substantial project. |
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