Specialized Catalog Cuban Cards Answer

[Roland 49]

Butch, I understand well what you say, those dice with the baseball figures came in a box with their lid but I have no more data they must be from the 50s Now I send you the terrain of a more modern game, and I met the author and the He gave me an explanation of how to play it, I cannot find the book with the game instructions, nor the cloth bag where the chips were, if I find them I will send you the photo and more information, Judid means Didactic Games. I have very interesting games for you next time. Greetings

[Roland 49]

Butch, now you have a part of the Cienfuegos team mold of a deck game, tomorrow I'm going to look for the other 3 teams, and the candy field Play

[JMANOS]

Wonder what that would fetch in todays world $$$$$$$$$$$

[Roland 49]

You ask me that a new Cuban card of Babe Ruth was discovered, well about that I don't know anything, I would have to see the photo, you have that image, can you show it to me?

[Roland 49]

From the Cuban baseball memorabilia, now I show a bottle of the Habana team drink, it is from my collection to have its original painting and it is in my very good state of conservation but it has a very special characteristic and that is that this bottle has never been opened, it has Its cork and is sealed with the factory label on top of the cork and of course it has the drink added since the late 40s. In my collection are those of the 4 teams with their original paint, they were made with pitchers and batters.

[Roland 49]

Jason, you're right, another time I'll give you an explanation of everything, now I'm going to show you some of the rarest cards I know, rarer than Cabañas or Billiken or "Punch" are the 1922 Romeo y Julieta Cigar cards, one from Almendares and an amateur, they appear in my specialized catalog, some in this thread have them.

[Butch7999]

¡Excelente, Roland! Gracias de nuevo, de nuevo, de nuevo.
If you find difficulty in posting larger pictures here, you could try sending them to us via e-mail --
try sending one full-size photo to Butch7999@aol.com and we'll let you know if that works...

[Scocs]

I believe those 1922 Romeo Y Julieta cards have been the source of constant debate over their authenticity on the Forum....

[Roland 49]

Butch, now you will see a card game of Romeo Cigars, they are very rare.

[Roland 49]

Hello Scott, now I see your message, you say that those Romeo and Juliet cards have been a constant strong debate, remember that I am new to net54, but I would like and appreciate if you explain me about this topic, I like to learn . I await your response, thank you very much Scott.

[Roland 49]

Scott, as I told you in the previous message, I like to learn and now I have learned something that I did not know, thank you very much Scott, because I never read what was discussed in that debate in which I had a small intervention, my mission was to confirm that these The cards were authentic and not forgeries, I did not know that before and afterwards there were debates, they never informed me, a few minutes ago I read something, but later I will continue reading, those cards were taken to my house and I wanted to buy them, but those who brought it They wanted to sell them on ebay, I immediately knew that they were original and very rare but 100% authentic, a few days later they returned to my house to tell me that on ebay they had doubts, since they thought they were false, and that the next day at 3 o'clock In the afternoon they were going to make a phone call, and I agreed to go that day, I went and talked to my friend Ryan and told him in my terrible English that they were real, not forgeries, after a few minutes on the computer they connected to net54, I did not I knew what e that site existed, and the questions began, some showed boxing cards etc and I answered everything, as for the 4 cards of Almendares players, it was analyzed and between Ryan and I, it was agreed that they were authentic, that they were printed in 1922, although in two cases they said 1911 and in another 1915, that was my analysis since they were all in my hands and I scanned them, luckily for me due to doubts of the buyers who had doubts, I was able to negotiate 2 of the Almendares and currently They are in my collection, and I consider that they are one of the rarest of the Cuban cards, but I repeat 100% original, and in my catalog they are all and I give a detailed explanation, I thought that when I left the debate and the moderator thanked the debate from Cuba that according to him was good, it was all over and he never talked about that again, but I see that it continued and at times he was tense, I never knew about it and I am glad I was not in that discussion, I have seen that some who They are in this thread they participated in that debate in 2014, if you want some information about my conclusions about those Romeo and Juliet cards, you can ask me. Greetings Scott.

[Butch7999]

¡Wow, Roland! ¡Maravilloso! We have never seen those cards, nor knew anything of that game before.
We always love seeing something completely new to us. As always, we must ask:
is there an actual name of that game, or is it known only as the "Cigarros Romeo" game?
And do you know approximately what year it was made?
And can you tell us how many cards make the complete game?
¡Gracias de nuevo!

[Roland 49]

Butch, I don't know if you are interested, I am sending you a dice game of the goblet game, with the mascots of the Cuban baseball teams, the scorpion, the lion, the tiger and the elephant.

[Butch7999]

¡Hola, Roland! ¡Sí, definitivamente estamos interesados en estos dados de béisbol!
Una vez más, ¿saben el nombre del juego? ¿El fabricante? ¿El año?
No estamos seguros de lo que quieres decir con "the goblet game".
¿Los dados pertenecen a uno de los juegos que ya has mostrado?

[Roland 49]

Now you will see some images that I show for a question that they asked me why do the cards "Punch and Romeo and Juliet have the same portrait? This is a long explanation but I show you some images from my collection and I will tell you something about my research in The 80s when I collected tobacco rings before collecting baseball, I met the oldest workers in the Lithographic Company of Havana and I saw the files and samples that were shown to the clients and from there they chose the photos and the rings, those Rings with the faces of the Kings, were made for the different brands of tobacco that they sold to the Royal Houses and in the Palace, the King gave them to his visitors, in the baseball cards the same, in the samples and files they were for that the manufacturers chose, that is why the Romeo and Juliet say 1911, perhaps the series was printed but no copy is known or it was not printed, but being in the archives they decided to print go it in 1922.

[Roland 49]

Hello, if there are many fakes, the first I saw were the Billiken, at the beginning of the 90s, they were followed by the Nationals, La Cotorra Mineral Water, Polar Beer, some photos of the players of the Programs of the 50s, behind They gave him Aguilitas 2nd Artistic Series, lamentably absurd things were done to cheat and look for a few pesos, but some people fell into the trap, there is more, now there is the photo of the first Billiken that were falsified and others in a larger size also false.

[Roland 49]

Now I show you other fakes. The program for the 1950-51 season, they cut out the photos of the players to make cards and cheat, when I saw them I told the sellers that they were false, to break them, they did not do it and someone not knowledgeable bought them, that it happened many times unfortunately. As an example you will see a forgery of Dandridge as if they were Aguilitas from the artistic series, (at that time Dandridge was a child) and another by Roberto Ortiz, in this case Trinidad and Hno.

[Roland 49]

I show you other counterfeits of cards, made to cheat and look for a few dollars, from the collection of printed matter of the newspaper "Alert" they copied the photos and printed them card size and numbered them, you will see some false cards with propaganda of "Agua Mineral La Cotorra" .

[Frankish]

These cards are absolutely fascinating. Thank you!

I've collected some original photos of these players and was thinking of dipping my toe into the actual cards. But these counterfeits are worrying. Thank you so much for sharing...what a public service.

[Roland 49]

Butch, now you have some cards from a game and one from "Candy Play". You let me know when you see them.

[Roland 49]

I answer you, about 15 years ago they brought me 10 Topps 1955 with the stars, Clemente, Aaron William, Snider etc, I had a complete series, I showed them to the sellers so they could see that theirs were laser printed, that They returned them to the one who gave them to them, then they told me that they did not know they were false and they would return them, the next day a great friend of mine called Ruben calls me on the phone, and he tells me that he had bought a Topps 55 but that he was not sure if They were real, I told him what happened the day before and I asked him what he had paid, and he tells me $ 500 dollars, I am very sorry as they cheated my friend, to your question of, Have they falsified American cards? that is the answer..

[Roland 49]

Franco, you tell me you are interested in collecting Cuban cards, but you are worried about counterfeits, those began in the late 80s and 90s, and some in the early 2000s, many years ago none have appeared, apparently they were made of all One or two games to try, in the United States, there are very good collectors with great knowledge of Cuban cards and they can guide you, if I have touched on this topic it is for those who start so that they do not buy anything doubtful, but I think that if it is your idea You must follow it, since in the Cuban cards you will find very important cards, mainly from Negro Leagues players, greetings.

[Roland 49]

Hello, now I show you the rarest cards of the "Aguilitas Artistic Series" these are the "Pre-Aguiitas" I gave them that name and this is how it appears in my catalog because these cards appeared in the cigarette packs of propaganda to the series that It would come out weeks later, the cards on the front are the same portrait, but behind appears the propaganda of the series and its numbers according to the theme, very few of these were made and it is very rare to find any, I have only seen these in the series of baseball cards, in the photo we see the pack of cigarettes, and the card of Alejandro Oms, and its two backs.

[Roland 49]

Now I show you 4 cards from the collection, one for each team: Connors, Dandridge, Noble, and Manning, and the matchbox that included the cards.

[Roland 49]

Richard, I'm going to answer all your questions in different messages, as to how to organize them, look, I collect all the memorabilia of Cuban baseball that covers a lot in all its themes, as for the cards, I have most of them in their original albums complete in some cases, those that were never printed albums, those I have in folders with their plastic protectors, as for the rarest, I have my opinions, they are the rarest and most valued and the rarest and least valued, for example: some cards "Gener Cigars, Romeo y Julieta, Helados Hatuey, etc" are rarer than "Cabañas or Punch" but it all depends on the demand and interest of the collectors according to whether they collect all the cards or those of Major League Baseball players, Negro Leagues, Hall of Fame players, etc. All this is in terms of Cuban baseball cards, I will follow the explanation, as soon as you read this message you let me know. Greetings Richard.

[Roland 49]

Richard, you tell me that you want to see magazines with baseball covers, there are hundreds, now there are three, if they are interested, let me know, they are very old, 2 of them and are more than 100 years old.

[Roland 49]

Richard, do you have some covers of the magazine "Carteles" that interest you?

[Roland 49]

Richard, from the Carteles Magazine there are many images, there is also a collection of amateur players from the 40s, I will look for you more, now you have a Posters with the cover of Mike González, a Gente magazine with Adolfo Luque, and a Champion Magazine with M. Mantle, when you see them tell me if you have them.

[Roland 49]

Richard, a few years ago a man over 70 years old came to my house and he asked me about a Bohemian magazine, if I could have it, so I told him to come in 2 or 3 days to look for it, I found it and days later when he came back I showed it to him, the man was moved and told me, look at that boy with the bat is me, he told me that this photo was on January 6, 1949, the "Day of the Magi" and among the Gifts were balls, gloves and bats, and several of the boys went to the Santos Suarez Park, to play and the photographer from La Bohemia photographed them and told them that the photo would come out 3 days later, on January 9, 1949, and So it was, the father bought the magazine and everyone saw it, but the father kept it days later and they never saw it again, eventually they threw it away, and he had not seen that magazine again until the moment I showed it to him. , the man kept coming back to take a picture of him, I scanned it, but he never came back, I'll tell them that Santos Park Suarez is the park in my neighborhood of the same name, I also played ball in that place and almost every day I pass by, sometimes walking in my car, it is 5 blocks from my house (500 meters). from the Almanaque Deportivo Magazine, when you see them let me know.

[Roland 49]

Richard now gives you a cover of the Photos Magazine, with Monte Irvin, in a message a few days ago I showed a photo of Irvin signing a similar but bound magazine, at my house, you will see a Saturday Sports Magazine and the magazine "El Pais "You inform me when you see them, I'm looking for others.

[Roland 49]

In this photo my friend Martin Dihigo son and I appear, it was taken at a lunch offered by an American to whom I helped him with many images for a documentary of the black leagues, that day he showed us part that was already edited that happened in In 2018, at present I do not know if that documentary was finished and exhibited. At the beginning of 2020, a friend of mine who is a member of net54, Kit, was at my house and gave me the sad news of the death of Dihigo Jr.

[Roland 49]

Al, now I see that the image of Dandridge's card did not come out, now they are both, and part of a scan of all the "Punch" of the Almendares that appears in my catalog, those of O. Diaz do you have them?

[richardcards]

Rolando
Do you have any information on these sets.
I know they are very rare.
Thanks Richard

[Roland 49]

Richard, I answer, from the collection of Matches "The Author" I do not know the amount, but I have more than 40 cards, each box of matches had 2, one in front and one in the back, I send you two for you to see, From the "Mejoral" collection, as you can see, the photos were in the booklet and they opened in the shape of an accordion, I have 3 complete booklets, but I have never seen the one from Cienfuegos, perhaps it was not printed, but I think so, if any that you see this thread has it please let me know.

[Roland 49]

Ricardo, I send you 2 covers of the magazine "Carteles". Do you know them?

[Butch7999]

¡Hola, Roland! Hemos vuelto- nuestras disculpas por nuestra ausencia en la última semana y media...
varias distracciones desafortunadas y más problemas de salud.

Gracias una vez más por las fotos y la información que publicó la semana pasada! Las placas de impresión
de plomo son ciertamente inusuales e intrigantes acompañamientos a los juegos de mesa -- en realidad,
todo lo que has mostrado, las cartas de los jugadores, las revistas, todo esto es extremadamente informativo
e interesante. ¡Tu colección de artefactos es indefectiblemente impresionante!

Creemos que estabas sugiriendo que tenías el campo de juego de Caramelos "Play" para mostrarnos,
y esperamos ver eso, si puedes localizarlo. También le preguntaremos de nuevo si conoce la edad
aproximada de ese juego.

¡Gracias de nuevo por su cooperación y asistencia!

[Roland 49]

Richard, there are many there is also the amateur collection, I now send you others but tell me the 10 you have to look for different ones.

[richardcards]

I have these also.
I will send list soon.
Front cover Carteles.
Thanks Richard

[richardcards]

1920s Herrera

1950s Front cover page
Flietas
Pages
Rubert
Duany
Solis
Pendergras
Miranda
Consuegra
Moreno
Estalella
Tapanes
Hildago

Thank you

[Roland 49]

3 days ago I received an email and they asked me how many Coca Cola cards were in the collection, I then asked, because there are several things of that brand in Cuban baseball, so he sent me a Havana card, then I posted one on the thread. card and yesterday a group of several, with the intention that some of you will answer the question, but I see that none have answered, I think it is because they do not know or because nobody is interested in this topic, many years ago I got the family of a seller of the brand a lot with these cards in their original envelopes sealed with the cards inside and previously a card from a sample book, which on the back, by mechanical means, the brand of the factory appeared printed, I plan to reply with photos to the persian who asked me, to your email, but if it is of interest to some of this thread, and they ask me, then I publish it here,

[Roland 49]

Richard, many years ago on ebay these cards were sold as if they were Coca Cola, I do not know who with a great ignorance invented this, a few days ago I connected and saw those cards for sale as Coca Cola, it is a serious error, inside I'm going to show his real name for a while, now they called me and I have to go out

[Roland 49]

Richard, I'm back, those cards belong to the collection "Sol de Oro" 1949, at the beginning of 2000, I bought a group inside its original label, sealed, it had never been opened, in a very good state of conservation, they were inside the Over more than 50 years, the collection of the 4 teams is numerous, they appear in Volume 2 of my catalogs, I think that many collectors did not know the name of this series, I would like some to comment on something and I would be grateful. I send you the photo of the label with the card that was inside.

[Roland 49]

A few days ago they asked me a question through my email and I decided that it should be known through the thread because I consider that it is important for collectors, since although that series is not one of the most important, but it has postcards from Dandridge and other players from the Black Leagues, no one that I know knew what trademark it belonged to, and I asked, Richard you were the only one who answered, so I published the photo of the original label with one of your postcards, I consider it important that collectors who have that Postcards know which series they belong to, I asked some of them to make a comment, but no one has, perhaps what is published by me is not interesting, but I am always ready to help you.

[Roland 49]

Richard, days ago you asked me to mention from 1 to 5 the cards that I consider rarer, I have already spoken about that, I think # 1 should be the "Punch" they are rare and in great demand, the rarest of this collection It is the photo card with the team members in a group, the players in their original photo, without the brown frame that borders them on the cards and a black frame on the 4 edges, it is a super rare piece, larger and the factory gave a gift just like the letters. From 2 to 5, without putting order, "Billiken" and "La Moda" these also have the rarest piece which are the individual photos 8 X 10 inches, super rare, I follow "Mallorquinas" "Cabañas" "Aguilitas" 2nd series, etc, all are in great demand but they are not the rarest,

[Butch7999]

¡Hola otra vez, Roland! Nuestras disculpas de nuevo por nuestro retraso en responder.
Muchas gracias por esa mirada al cartel publicitario de Caramelos "Play". "Gigante ", dices
-- ¿qué tan grande es?

Gracias también por mostrar las cartas de juego Almendares-Habana - ¿son esos los dos únicos equipos
que aparecen en la baraja, o aparecen imágenes de Cienfuegos y Marianao en otras cartas?

Por cierto, nada que ver con el béisbol de mesa, pero nos preguntábamos si tienes algo - tarjetas,
artículos de revistas, etcétera - específico de Pancho Herrera. ¡Es una leyenda en el béisbol de Buffalo!

¡Saludos! ¡Tú también te mantienes saludable!

[Roland 49]

Butch, how good that you are back, those are the Havana and Almendares cards that I have, I have to look for the poster to measure it, now I send you the Baby of Almendares, it is very rare, I think you have never seen it, by Panchon Herrera I have several things but I have to look for them, when you see the baby tell me, take care.

[Roland 49]

Scott, the first thing I will do is thank you for answering my request to comment on the writing of the "Golden Sun" and also give honest information and also the reason for your decision to put the cards on sale a long time ago as if they were from Coca Cola, what he said is correct, since their origin was never known before due to the lack of information, for my part I learned something new with you, and I am very happy that you participate in this thread, and I hope you continue to do so , thanks again and my regards to you.

[Roland 49]

Richard, you will see a cover but there are many such drawings, and one of the numbered series, of these there are 14 but they go inside the Carteles magazine, I don't know if you are interested, let me know.

[Roland 49]

Jason, I found this book on Semiprofessional Leagues this is from the Commercial League, which was one of the many leagues that existed, I send you photos of the 1945 cover, inside the 1944 records appear, you will see that Orestes Miñoso was the champion bat, that It was his last year of playing semi pro, I send you the photo of a team where Alejandro Oms played in his final stage as a player, and in that team Rafael Almeida was the manager, I will continue looking for some information about the Buenavista team, that was always a neighborhood that I was in Marianao, I don't know if you see this thread, but when you read it you let me know, greetings.

[richardcards]

I have exactly 12 front cover Carteles
Is it possible Baseball covers where issued
for one year only?
I have 12 front covers and never found
another in 20 years.
I think 12 is the complete set.
Thanks Richard