Stolen Card on Ebay

Sad to see a scumbag like Koffman try to ruin one of the few decent shows we have left in Massachusetts. Here's hoping justice is swift and harsh.

[bigwinnerx]

Well...this just got a little more interesting. (grabs popcorn)

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by scooter729

Ummm, this link might state a little bit about the seller's ethics and whether he knew what he might have been selling:

http://www.thesunchronicle.com/news/...d47c6de33.html

Wow!

[itjclarke]

Looks like it happened a while back. Curious how it all turned out. As near a smoking gun as it gets.

[Fred]

chomp, chomp, chomp.... also eating popcorn, waiting for the train wreck...

Scott, are you sure that the ebay seller for the Cobb PC is the same person mentioned in the article for which you provided a link?

If so, that doesn't prove anything.... chomp, chomp, chomp....

Seriously, if this is the same person then people will draw their own conclusions about what this could really mean.

Yo Flavius... if that article is about the seller of the Cobb PC then I hope you see what everyone is trying to tell you... better to be honest...

In this case the article doesn't imply he's guilty of this other indiscretion (sale of the Cobb PC) but people may not give him the benefit of the doubt after they read that article...

[ullmandds]

interesting how people who behave suspectly...tend to choose suspect names?!

[scooter729]

Originally Posted by Fred

Scott, are you sure that the ebay seller for the Cobb PC is the same person mentioned in the article for which you provided a link?

99.9999999999999% positive, and I am NOT just going on the name. I have heard in the past from dealers around the Boston area about him and that incident, that as soon as I saw the eBay seller involved in this post, I knew that was his eBay ID and went searching for this old article. I just wish I'd had power after the storm for the past couple of days and could've seen this link two days ago!

[Bocabirdman]

Earlier in this thread I compared some of the reactions here to villagers with pitchforks or a lynch mob. I guess I should also point out that sometimes they lynch a guilty man and sometimes the castle does need to be stormed.

[JollyElm]

Why does it take any human being alive longer than the amount of time required to read the original post here to determine that the guy is a scumbag thief?? Has society fallen so far that people are using semantics to try to re-label what this guy did?

Assuming the OP is telling the truth (and from his approach here and the way other posters have treated him, it's pretty obvious the guy has plenty of integrity) then there's no question the ebayer is an excuse-ridden ripoff artist. Someone in his neck of the woods should take a shovel to his face.

And let me explain this to Flavius in a way he might understand, since in one of his multiple stories he was a child during the 60's...

The Professor is working on fixing the radio and stops by the Skipper and Gilligan's hut. While enjoying some coconut milk, he accidentally leaves his Ty Cobb baseball card there and returns to the lagoon. While swinging on his hammock, Gilligan sees it in the corner and grabs it up. Later on, after botching the chance for everyone to be rescued from the island, Gilligan ignores returning the card to the Professor and instead goes and sells the Cobb to Mr. Howell for a nice haul.

Tell me, in what f_cking world is Gilligan not a thief?????????

[howard38]

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[deebro041]

Can he leave the country with a criminal record?

[deebro041]

It's from the UK but another WOW.
http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/sil...223331519.html

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Clutch-Hitter

My buddy's not familiar with Florida statutes, but he said it'll be covered in the chapter containing theft and related offenses.

What if Chris didn't see the listing? Answer: he wouldn't get it back and somebody (the receiver of the property) would profit.

This would be a theft case for sure. I feel like a jerk saying this but: trust me I am a prosecutor.

[wazoo]

Originally Posted by Eric72

I am currently taking a class on Business Law. Below is a quote from the textbook which I find appropriate here. Please know that I am not throwing daggers at anyone. I am merely weighing in on where I stand regarding the issue of what is ethical versus what a person is legally required to do.

"Ethical behavior is based on more than meeting minimum legal requirements. It invariably involves a higher, moral standard."

When I mistakenly wind up with something that's not mine, and it can realistically be returned to its rightful owner, I will give it back...every time. Whether discovering that the lid from my neighbor's trash can blew over onto my lawn or finding someone's wallet on the ground in a parking lot, I make sure the item finds its way back to where it belongs.

In this particular case, to anyone receiving somebody else's baseball card in the mail, just give it back. It's the right thing to do. Period.

Best Regards,

Eric

Amen to this. Great post Eric.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

The basic concept of theft (Florida) is this: (1) you took something that wasn't yours (2) you did so with the intent to deprive the true owner of his use of the item.

(1) The card didn't belong to the seller and he knew it.
(2) Selling the card deprives the true owner of its use.

Legal reasoning aside selling something that doesn't belong to you is just wrong.

[sdkammeyer]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

I feel like a jerk saying this but: trust me I am a prosecutor.

just curious ...... Why would you feel like a jerk?

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by sdkammeyer

just curious ...... Why would you feel like a jerk?

I hate whenever people flaunt things. It seems a bit arrogant. However in this particular instance I thought it was warranted.

[Brendan]

Originally Posted by howard38

This is somewhat similar. The accidental recipient in this case seems like a straight up criminal though what he did is evidently not illegal in the UK:

http://shine.yahoo.com/work-money/a-...ml?.tsrc=opera

Only difference is it was that own women's doing that cost her $40K. If I was the guy that she sent the money to for two years, I'd gladly send it all back in one big package, with a brochure to a nearby hospital for the mentally retarded.

All jokes aside, I think it's pretty clear to everyone that the smart thing to do would have been to send the card back to the intended recipient immediately. Waiting for there to be a big stink about it doesn't really change anything, except for the legal aspect. In fact, I'd consider the moves kevino35 made to be even sleazier than just not returning the card and effectively stealing it. At least in that case he wouldn't be claiming to have done nothing wrong.

In regards to "flavius," I slightly agree with a few bits and pieces of his statements. While an incident like this will certainly hurt his reputation (though reputation can be a bit overrated - what percent of people in the hobby will actually read this entire thread and remember it next time they deal with him? 10%?), legally I've seen very little evidence to prove that this seller really knew he was selling someone else's property. The guy does a lot of business, clearly - who's to say he didn't just figure he won the Cobb?

I'm really not surprised, though. Actually, I'd almost consider it normal for most of the population to go the route Kevin did. Luckily, this hobby is a little more tight-knit than the general population and people like Kevin are rarer in prewar cards than postwar, memorabilia, and nonsports.

As always, the best test of a man's character is when nobody (or very few people) are watching.

[Clutch-Hitter]

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[Wymers Auction]

Do we really need a corrupt legal system to decide our morality? I just want to say that I hope it works out I have bought several items from Chris and all have been top notch.

[teetwoohsix]

Give Chris his card back damn it !!! (seriously). Do the right thing.
This should be a no-brainer.
It's his card, give it back to him.

Sincerely, Clayton

[chris]

I wanted to let everyone know I received my card today from Ebay seller kevino35. Thank you for everyones help in this matter. Happy V day.

Chris

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

Give Chris his card back damn it !!! (seriously). Do the right thing.
This should be a no-brainer.
It's his card, give it back to him.

Sincerely, Clayton

Originally Posted by chris

I wanted to let everyone know I received my card today from Ebay seller kevino35. Thank you for everyones help in this matter. Happy V day.

Chris

When Clayton talks, people listen.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by chris

I wanted to let everyone know I received my card today from Ebay seller kevino35. Thank you for everyones help in this matter. Happy V day.

Chris

another festivus miracle!

[tschock]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

another festivus miracle!

Or is that another flavius miracle?

[Jay Wolt]

Chris, glad to see the matter has been resolved.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Glad to hear it

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

When Clayton talks, people listen.

Ha ha, yeah right Frank I wish it were that easy

High-five to kevino35 for doing the right thing & congrats Chris, I'm glad you got your card back

Sincerely, Clayton