T206 Red Cobb SGC 60/Altered? on eBay

[botn]

Not at all JP. Very appreciative and as I stated several times but you were too busy bickering on 27 other threads to notice, Leon refused to take no for an answer and when he offered me the credit. That is why I wrote "forced". I did not want Leon or Scott coming out of pocket since they were not the ones who placed the card in a graded SGC holder.

[Mikehealer]

Originally Posted by botn

Well Mike to anyone who does not drink the SGC made Kool Aid it is an altered card. What does an altered and trimmed Red Cobb sell for outside of a holder, even one as famous as this one? $500? Leon and Scott have been kind enough to force a $250 credit on me against my next B-L invoice so I am out $1600 not $2,350. However the good news is that there are enough SGC supporters out there who are convinced they can do no wrong AND SGC's graders do stand behind the grade, so I still have a chance to get back my $2,350.

I'm just glad it didn't get shredded. Nice to hear you still have it.

[fkw]

Big deal about nothing...

I see extremely close up pics of a 100 year old card that was made of very brittle multi-layered card stock. The corner got bumped slightly at some time, the top layer (back) of the fragile brittle card stock cracked and dislodged at corner a bit but did not separate from the rest of card completely (yet).

Card looks OK too me. even if that piece fell off its a 60 IMO, and no that corner does NOT have VG wear its EX+ wear

Remember these are high quality extremely close up pics, which actually show single paper fibers floating in slab too.

[JP]

Nevermind, you've made your mountain and it's impossible for you to be impartial...I won't even bother...

[martyp]

May I suggest that you go to the National or a Philly show where they are grading on sight. Give them the card, let them open it and both SGC and you inspect it out of the slab. If the piece in question is attached to the card, then it is part of the card and you should pay them their on site grading fee. If it is an extra piece from a different card, then the piece could be removed and the card graded as is. Sell the card at an independant auction and SGC could owe you the difference what you paid and what the card sold for.

[onlychild]

Prior to bidding I asked Leon, who referred me to Scott, if the corner was creased or bent from the front, as it appeared there was an impression, but it was simply the scan (which is the same scan I am using for my ebay listing). I acknowledged to them I was aware of the corner flaw, and playfully referred to it as a “hanging chad.” Scott examined the corner with a loupe and told me there was no wrinkle or crease, only some wear.

Not placing any blame but IMO I think this may have been where things started to go south. If true, perhaps Scott should have been a little more informative. Based on his skill, knowledge and expertise, if he indeed said there was only some wear, it would have been encouraging news...enough to make a confident and comfortable bid.
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[botn]

Hey Kevin!

That is certainly one point at which this may have been averted however if the card had been assessed properly by SGC then it never would never been holdered so Scott would not have a card to examine. And whether or not he should have recognized something which looked odd, how far does an auction house have to go on authenticating an authenticated item? I don't know the answer myself. Just asking...

[ichieh]

if you look the seller's other ebay listings, it seems to me that this person has a grudge against SGC and claimed many of his SGC cards are trimmed or altered.

http://shop.ebay.com/grays/m.html?_n...&_trksid=p4340

[teetwoohsix]

Wow.So SGC missed this many trimmed/altered cards,that are residing with just one person?

I don't know what to make of this..........

Clayton

[buymycards]

Greg, I noticed on your ebay listings that you submitted some of these broken out cards to PSA 6 times. Did you try to resubmit any of them in their raw state back to SGC? I wonder if they would have come back as trimmed?

Just curious,

Rick

[Robextend]

I wish I kept all my "PSA 6" trimmed cards in case I wanted to start a crusade against them.

[teetwoohsix]

hmmm.......