Red Cobb survey of all its 30 backs....post your inputs ?

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

There is no argument that the Red portrait Cobb was American Lithographic's "signature picture" for its white
bordered T-card sets. This picture of Cobb appears on at least 30 white bordered cards with various Tobacco
advertising backs. But, there appears to be some argument regarding the relative scarcity of its 11 toughest
T206 backs. So, let's run a survey and see what results.









I will start this survey with 2 of my 4 red Cobb cards.

0....BROAD LEAF 460
0....DRUM
0....HINDU (red)
0....LENOX (black)
0....UZIT
1....SOVEREIGN 460
1....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
0....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
0....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
0....CYCLE 460
0....EPDG



OK, guys and gals.....how about running up the numbers.....show and/or tell us about your red Cobb(s) ?

Remember, this survey is not limited to just these 11 backs....any Red Cobb is welcome to this study.


Thanks for your time an effort responding to this survey.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Adding the the 7 new inputs from prior posts and one more new input.






..1....TY COBB back
..0....1910 COUPON (Type 1)
..1....T213-2
..1....T213-3
..0....T214
..0....T215


T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....5/1/09

Scarcest group......

..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..2....DRUM
..1....HINDU (red)
..4....LENOX (black)
..0....UZIT
..3....SOVEREIGN 460
12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
..6....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..6....CYCLE 460
..3....EPDG

Next toughest group......

10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
..1....CYCLE 350
..6....SOVEREIGN 350
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..2....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..5....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..7....TOLSTOI
14....OLD MILL

The easier ones......

..4....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
25....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
14....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
31....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
17....POLAR BEAR


We have a T206 total of 176 inputs....we just might attain that 200 figure yet. We are 88% of the way there.

Hey you T206 (or Cobb) collectors out there........please show or tell us of your Red Cobb cards.



And, the only T206 back that has yet to be reported is the UZIT....does any one have this one ?

Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb.






Hey Net54er's....this "card" is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War"....



TED Z

[sando69]

after reading your "tale of two doyles" post, i am quite curious to hear what you might have to say about the rea cobb red old mill psa 5 that ended at more than $7000.00...
does that not seem perhaps a tad overly enthusiastic?

[tedzan]

There is no way that anyone can figure out what is in bidder's minds during these auctions. This OLD MILL Cobb
received 30 bids to drive it's price up that high.

While another very sweet-looking Red Cobb (PSA7) with a Sweet Cap 350 back got only 17 bids....sold for 4750.


This does surprise me, as an OLD MILL back is not that rare on a Red Cobb to warrant such a difference.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Adding 6 new inputs that were emailed to me from Net54 readers.






..1....TY COBB back
..0....1910 COUPON (Type 1)
..1....T213-2
..1....T213-3
..0....T214
..0....T215


T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....5/5/09

Scarcest group......

..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..2....DRUM
..0....HINDU (red)
..4....LENOX (black)
..0....UZIT
..3....SOVEREIGN 460
12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
..6....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..6....CYCLE 460
..3....EPDG

Next toughest group......

10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
..1....CYCLE 350
..6....SOVEREIGN 350
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..2....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..5....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..7....TOLSTOI
14....OLD MILL

The easier ones......

..4....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
28....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
15....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
31....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
19....POLAR BEAR


We have a T206 total of 181 inputs....we just might attain that 200 figure yet. We are 91% of the way there.

Hey you T206 (or Cobb) collectors out there........please show or tell us of your Red Cobb cards.



Still haven't seen a UZIT back....does any one have this one....I don't think the Red Cobb was printed with it ?

Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb.






Hey Net54er's....this "card" is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War"....



TED Z

[E93]

Can't we include the red Hindu from REA?
JimB

[sando69]

ted-
it is now time to share my seven heretofore uncounted entries...
carolina brights
lenox
old mill
polar bear
sovereign 460
sweet cap 350 30
tolstoi
congratulations on a highly interesting and successful survey!

[tedzan]

Thanks for your 7 red Cobb inputs. That is quite a collection....and now, we have attained the 200+ milestone.

I will update the list later today.

TED Z

[tedzan]

Adding a 1910 Coupon red Cobb and 12 more T206 new inputs......thanks everyone.










..1....TY COBB back
..1....1910 COUPON (Type 1)
..1....T213-2
..1....T213-3
..0....T214
..0....T215


T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....5/14/09

Scarcest group......

..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..2....DRUM
..0....HINDU (red)
..5....LENOX (black)
..0....UZIT
..4....SOVEREIGN 460
12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
..7....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..6....CYCLE 460
..3....EPDG

Next toughest group......

10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
..1....CYCLE 350
..6....SOVEREIGN 350
..2....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..5....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..7....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
..9....TOLSTOI
16....OLD MILL

The easier ones......

33....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
18....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
36....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
22....POLAR BEAR


We have a T206 total of 206 inputs.......BINGO....we have finally exceeded 200+ red Cobb's. I'm proud of all
of you that participated in this survey.


But, still waiting to see a UZIT back....does any one have this one ? Perhaps, the Red Cobb was not printed
with it ? ?

Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb.






Hey Net54er's....this card is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War"....



TED Z

[sando69]

this thread needs a jump start, so...
ted-
please add another sweet cap 460 factory 42 to the list.

furthermore, is it not perhaps time to discuss tweeking the scarcity list somewhat?
i would even suggest adding at least one more category...

nearly impossible.....broadleaf, drum, hindu, uzit
scarce.....................carolina brights, cycle 460, el principe de gales, lenox, sovereign 460
tougher...................american beauty, cycle 350, p 460/42, sovereign 350, sc 350/25, sc 460/25-42-42 op, tolstoi
easy.......................old mill, p 460/25, polar bear, sc 460/30
easiest....................p 350, sc 350/30 (since these two backs account for over 38% of all red cobbs surveyed, do they not deserve their own "common" category?)

[tedzan]

Thanks for your input....I thought this thread had vanished.

But, since you bumped it back, I will update it tomorrow, as I have 10 more new inputs to add to this survey.
And, I'll give your advice some consideration.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Hey guy and gals....Does anyone have a Red HINDU or a UZIT....T206 red Cobb....to report here ? ?


UPDATED upon request to include Red Cobb new inputs from 5/26 to 6/26 across all the 30 T-advertising backs











Red Cobb....UPDATED survey....6/26/09

..1....TY COBB back
..1....1910 COUPON (Type 1)
..2....T213-2
..3....T213-3
..0....T214
..0....T215


T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....6/26/09

Scarcest group......

..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..2....DRUM
..0....HINDU (red)
..5....LENOX (black)
..0....UZIT
..4....SOVEREIGN 460
..7....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..7....CYCLE 460
..3....EPDG


Next toughest group......

10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
..1....CYCLE 350
12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42
..8....SOVEREIGN 350
..4....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..6....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
..9....TOLSTOI


The easier ones......

20....OLD MILL
21....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
15....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30


The easiest ones......

52....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
47....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
20....POLAR BEAR


We now have a T206 total of 266 inputs.


But, still waiting to see a UZIT back....does any one have this one ? Perhaps, the Red Cobb was not printed
with it ? ?

Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb.






Hey Net54er's....this card is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War"....



TED Z

[Sterling Sports Auctions]

Maybe I missed it in the thread but why is there no AB 460 possible?

Also, Is it possible that the Piedmont 42's, were printed on one or sheet with the Cobb double or triple printed? This would explain why there is so many. If there was 2 different print runs (350/460 and 460 only) and they were double printed this would actually make a 4 to 1 ratio on them.

Lee

[camlov2]

I have seen a handful of threads regarding certain cards and their backs....

one question, Does it make sense to count cards that the owner no longer has?
Couldn't these cards have been passed to another Net54 member and be counted twice?

I am new to the boards so I don't know how much turnover there might be within the group.

[tedzan]

Thanks for catching the POLAR BEAR discrepancy. There were 5 new Red Cobb's with the PB back in the latest tally,
which raised the total to 29. I must have typed the "0" key instead of the "9" key when I inputted this data.

The easiest ones........UPDATED 6/28/09

53....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
47....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
29....POLAR BEAR



TED Z

[tedzan]

Hey guy and gals....Does anyone have a Red HINDU or a UZIT....T206 red Cobb....to report here ? ?


UPDATED upon request to include Red Cobb new inputs from 5/26 to 6/26 across all the 30 T-advertising backs











Red Cobb....UPDATED survey....6/28/09

..1....TY COBB back
..1....1910 COUPON (Type 1)
..2....T213-2
..3....T213-3
..1....T214
..0....T215


T206 red Cobb....UPDATED survey....6/28/09

Scarcest group......

..1....BROAD LEAF 460
..2....DRUM
..0....HINDU (red)
..5....LENOX (black)
..0....UZIT
..4....SOVEREIGN 460
..7....CAROLINA BRIGHTS
..7....CYCLE 460
..3....EPDG
12....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 42


Next toughest group......

10....AMERICAN BEAUTY 350
..1....CYCLE 350
..8....SOVEREIGN 350
..4....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42
..6....SWEET CAPORAL 460 Factory 42 (ovpt)
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 25
..1....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 25
..9....TOLSTOI


The easier ones......

20....OLD MILL
21....PIEDMONT 460 Factory 25
15....SWEET CAPORAL 46O Factory 30


The easiest ones......

53....SWEET CAPORAL 350 Factory 30
47....PIEDMONT 350 Factory 25
29....POLAR BEAR


We now have a T206 total of 266 inputs.


But, still waiting to see a UZIT back....does any one have this one ? Perhaps, the Red Cobb was not printed
with it ? ?

Until we see a real UZIT....I will continue showing my "exotic" UZIT red Cobb.






Hey Net54er's....this card is not that far-fetched....Cobb is quoted as saying...."Baseball was like War"....



TED Z