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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
like David but I didn't go to the Derby today..... |
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Posted By: Bob
Dan- That was 8 Belles' stablemate, another filly who ran yesterday and won the Kentucky Oaks, an all filly race for the best 3 year old filly in the country. 8 Belles would have won that race easily and it is entriely hindsight but would probably still be alive. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I would define running an animal before it's fully developed to be abuse. And Barbaro is a tiny example of the horse racing world. He was nationally known and loved and there was a lot of pressure to keep that horse alive. He is the exception to the rule when it comes to horse racing injuries. |
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla
Yes, the whole, top horses, that will command huge stud fees, are certainly going to be treated with greater care. But anyone who thinks a gelded, $1500 claimer at Finger Lakes, for example, isn't abused, is kidding themselves. |
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Posted By: David Goff
Bob |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
David, with all respect, Baffert's comment about whipping not being painful is self-serving and based on hopeful speculation -- and surely is false. As for trainers/owners not standing for anything that would hurt a horse, well, what happened today? They managed to stand for that pretty well. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
So Bab Baffert told you that if the jockeys or trainers felt like whipping was injuring the horse they wouldn't do it? Well there's scientific proof if I've ever seen it. |
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla
David, tell me about the "respect" Kentucky Derby winner Ferdinand and Jockey Club Gold Cup winner, Exceller were shown, when their owners allowed them to wind up as dog food. If accomplished, celebrated horses are treated like this, how much "respect" do the lower class horses get? |
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Posted By: Tom Boblitt
Those horses were sold to owners to race in Europe. The owners never expected that outcome, maybe foolishly so. Obviously, cultures other than ours regularly eat horse as a meat. Another horse found the same end in Japan. Don't remember the name but it happened too. You take that story and position it to seem like all horses are shipped to Europe for slaughter. |
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Posted By: David Goff
Man, I feel I am in a corner and can't fight my way out..LOL. I am just trying to defend the horse industry. I am not for whipping either, but they do it and I will still be a horse racing fan. |
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla
David - fair enough. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
David, I have a close friend who owns horses and I know that he loves them so I appreciate your point. A lot of us are just against any animals being hurt, especially for sport. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Well, I'm coming from the angle of a family that owns horses. My sister was a World Champion in 2004 and my niece is the reigning World Champion. Horse racing is cruel...even in my sister's "sport" there is a lot of drugging of the horses going on. My sister does it the right way and is proof that you can win without harming the animals. |
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Posted By: James Feagin
This thread has been very informative and thought provoking. Thanks to all parties involved. |
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Posted By: J Paul
David - maybe I can help you out a little here. I work in the racing industry in California and have done so for over 25 years. |
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Posted By: leon
As an animal lover it saddens me greatly to hear about this. I am not sure if there is a solution to the problem, or if it was just a freak accident, but I really hate it when this kind of thing happens. I would guess that most racehorse owners love their horses and would never harm them intentionally. |
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Posted By: Tim
My neice has been working in the horse industry for many years now. |
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Posted By: Matthew
I think in horse racing it is the jockeys that put them selfs in more trouble. I guess some are naturally small in size, But i remeber reading that some jockeys wanted the racing association to raise the weight they are allowed to be. It has to be so unhealthy to be a grown man and 98 - 100 lbs. |
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Posted By: Tim
I remember the "Real Sports" segment on horse racing showing the special toilet bowl for purging in the jockies locker room and the risky lengths these guys go to in order to make weight. |
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Posted By: J Paul
Trust me, no one feels it more than those of us who work in the industry when something like Eight Belles happens, especially on national TV. It looks bad for the sport, and the people and media that only watch horse racing once a year come away with a bad picture of the industry as a whole. |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
In the end, these horses are bred solely for our entertainment and the need for faster times, thinner bones supporting more muscular bodies trumps all. Who are we to treat animals in such an inhumane way? Claiming that the animals are treated like Kings is like saying that the bad witch gave Hansel and Gretl great lunches. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
This will be my final post in the thread - |
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Posted By: Ed Ivey
My wife cried. I had a lump in my throat. We're not even fans of the sport. We just turned it on because it's one of those American events people watch. |
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Posted By: Bill Stone
It may be the first fatal injury at the Kentucky Derby but at the 2006 Breeders' Cup at Churchill Downs the filly Pine Island was euthanized after breaking down on the track. And I will never forget the awful site of Go For Wand who snapped her right front ankle when racing at Belmont. She hobbled around on three legs with her injured leg just dangling before she collapsed and was euthanized. It is a horrible site to see them put up the curtain to shield the fans from what is happening. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
A shock to me that Big Brown went off at 5:2. I thought this was an easy pick. Anyway, Big Brown has to be 3:5 at a minimum for the Preakness which he will also win handily. He will then also win the Belmont to take the Triple Crown. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Big Brown close as you can get in horse racing to a sure thing. Putting $150 to win on this Triple Crown winner. Horse has a mudder's pedigree but sometimes you don't know how a horse will handle an off track. Heck I thought Fusaichi Pegasus was close to a sure thing but he got beat in the mud. Horse could be 1-5 by post time. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
i love horse racing, but maybe i'm just not in the loop with it, as much as i am with baseball... |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Michael, |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Hmmmm...a barely regulated sport without regard to the health of their athletes. Sounds like baseball, but in this case the athlete lacks free will. |
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Posted By: Bob
The Preakness with its tight turns is a graveyard for Derby winners when a horse with speed gets out front and steals the race. Some very unlikely winners have knocked off horses which seemed unbeatable. Granted this year's crop of 3 year olds is not a super crop but you have to wonder if a horse like Gayego who won the Arkansas Derby wouldn't be a better bet as an across the board bet (WPS) than dropping a significant chunk on Big Brown's nose. |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Bob, |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
The Belmont presents the biggest challenge for Big Brown due to its distance. No way he loses today. I'm sure the horses will be pumped full of 'roids and beaten wildly with the whip. Fun. |
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Posted By: David Goff
Well, here we go again.(LOL) This is exciting times if you are a race horse fan. Big Brown WILL win the triple crown and that's what this sport needs...BADLY!! |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
What if whipping was banned? Would it really take away some of the enjoyment of watching the horses run? Or is it just about making the horses go as quickly as they can, concern about their safety be damned? |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Wow--one of the all-time great horses here. Why didn't I bet more? |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Jim, what did you win -- like $30 on that $150 bet? |
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Posted By: Bob
The Belmont is a mile and a half and there will be rested horses waiting for Big Brown. Here are the horses who won the Derby and Preakness who failed to win the Belmont. The list includes Northern Dancer and Spectacular Bid, arguably two of the greatest racehorses of all time. |
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Posted By: Bob
Big Brown without going under the whip a single time... |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Didn't Smarty Jones win the first two legs in 04? |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Jeff, |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
i loved the blimp shot after the final turn when big brown turned on the after burners...wow...i've never seen a horse take off like that... |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
You've never seen Secretariat in the Belmont then - |
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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Yeah, Mike, if I recall didn't Secretariat win the Belmont by like 20 lengths? I don't think you can compare Big Brown to that horse. Even remotely. |
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Posted By: Bob
Jim- Casino Drive has come from Japan, he is undefeated and won the Peter Pan Stakes at Belmont this year. He is also half-brother to Jazil and Rags to Riches who both won Belmonts running against two horses who had won the Derby and Preakness and were going to the Triple Crown. Interesting.... |
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Posted By: Bob
Secretariat won by closer to 25 lengths. Sham, a very good horse, who came in second and challenged Secretariat in the Derby and Preakness was all out to win and was just destroyed and faded all the way to last. |
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Posted By: Bob
Yes the list left off Smarty Jones in 2004. |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
guys, let me clarify... |
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Posted By: JimCrandell
Bob, |
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Posted By: MVSNYC
just to further clarify... |
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Posted By: Bob Pomilla
Bob, |
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