T206 Red HINDU cards.....SURVEY

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Posted By: Anonymous

100% certain

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Thanks, I have added him to the list. You have provided the only two new additions.....and, here we are
at 50 posts.
We have a long way to go to confirm what is theoretically 110 possible subjects with Red HINDU backs.....
but, I do not think all these 110 were printed with the Red HINDU brand.


EDITED.....to state that the McGraw (port-cap) in the 460-only Series has been confirmed with the LENOX
back. Which raises doubts about the Red HINDU card of him ?

Red HINDU and LENOX are mutually exclusive in the 460-only Series. This is explained in my new Thread
on Red HINDU cards.

TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

I fully appreciate what you are saying about Gandil. This card is in the 460-only Series. And, there
are some more like your Gandil in this series. For instance Smith (Chi & Bos), here are 8 backs I've
found of him. I was able to find the tougher T-brands on this card before I found a Piedmont 460
of him for my Piedmont set.

There are about 4 more T-brands, this card was printed on. And, I wonder if we will find this Smith
with a Red HINDU ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

I'll make it a "trifecta" for TANNEHILL......

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

Updated list of the 42 confirmed T206's with Red HINDU backs.....6/26/07

Possible total = 110 Subjects......however, I'm beginning to wonder that a fair number of the
remaining 68 subjects are "No-Prints".

And, so far in this survey we are seeing multiples of.....M. Brown (Chi).....Chase (dk cap).....
Crandall (cap)....Duffy....Gandil....McGraw (glove)....Tannehill....Wheat

Baker
Bender (no trees)
M. Brown (Chi)
Burch (fldg)
Chase (blue)............super-print
Chase (dark cap)......super-print
Cobb (red)...............super-print
Cobb (bat off)
Crandall (cap)..........460-only
Davis (A's)
Devore....................460-only
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Duffy.......................460-only
Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)
Evers (Chi-bat)..........super-print
Ford........................460-only
Gandil......................460-only
Geyer......................460-only
Griffith (bat)
Hummell...................460-only
Johnson (pitch)
Konetchy (glove low)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitch)
McGraw (glove hip).....460-only
O'Leary (hds/knees)
Pfeffer......................460-only
Rucker (throw)
Seymour (throw)
Sheckard (glove)........460-only
Snodgrass (fldg)
Stahl (glove)
Street (fldg)
Sweeney (NY)
Tannehill (Chi-throw)....460-only
Wagner (bat/right)
Wheat........................460-only
Willis (throw)
CYoung (glove)

I REPEAT....any more Red HINDU's out there in Net54-land ? ?

T-Rex TED

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Posted By: Scot Reader

Hi Ted,

I think you mean Bender (No Trees).

Bender (Trees) is 350-only.

Scot

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

SCOT

Thanks for the correction on Bender.

TED Z

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Posted By: MVSNYC

thanks to Hank & Scott L.

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Posted By: scott

Our best red hindu is Kleinow Boston (SGC 60 / 5). We also have the devore in a one (currently offered for sale and already posted here previously) and a likely trimmed common -- can't remember the player right now.

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Final go around on searching out the T206 Red HINDU backs.

We have only confirmed 44 out of a possible 110 subjects.

Can we show or tell anymore than 44 ? ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Art M.

Hi Ted,
Another interesting thread!
Here are my T206 Red Hindu cards:

BENDER (NO TREES)
CHASE (BLUE)
DOWNEY (BAT)
DOYLE (BAT)
GRIFFITH (BAT)
O'LEARY (HOK)
RUCKER (THROW)
STAHL
STREET (CATCH)
SWEENEY
WHEAT
WILLIS (THROW)

Nothing new to add to your list.
Art

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

ART M

Thanks for your inputs....it's always nice to re-confirm what we know about The Monster....as we try to tame it.

TED Z

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Ted,
A lot of these Red Hindu's came from this lot from Mastro 1996:





Be well Brian





Be sure and add Kleinow to the known list, as it's in this auction and I have seen this card. I think I have a scan...in a psa 4 holder?

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

I will upgrade the list an add Kleinow (Bos) to it.

Kleinow contradicts the "LENOX - Red HINDU mutual exclusivity" rule for cards in the 460-only Series.
Have you read my other Red HINDU thread regarding this "rule" ?

I'm beginning to think Scot Reader's original classification of this Kleinow (and, also Smith - Chi & Bos)
belonging in the 350/460 Series is possibly more accurate.

Gee, these 2 subjects are a mystery. Do you know if Smith exists with both LENOX & Red HINDU backs ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Updated list of the 43 confirmed T206's with Red HINDU backs.....7/2/07

Possible total = 110 Subjects......however, I'm beginning to wonder that a fair number of the
remaining 67 subjects are "No-Prints".

And, so far in this survey we are seeing multiples of.....M. Brown (Chi).....Chase (dk cap).....
Crandall (cap)....Duffy....Gandil....McGraw (glove)....Tannehill....Wheat

Baker
Bender (no trees)
M. Brown (Chi)
Burch (fldg)
Chase (blue)............super-print
Chase (dark cap)......super-print
Cobb (red)...............super-print
Cobb (bat off)
Crandall (cap)..........460-only
Davis (A's)
Devore....................460-only
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Duffy.......................460-only
Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)
Evers (Chi-bat)..........super-print
Ford........................460-only
Gandil......................460-only
Geyer......................460-only
Griffith (bat)
Hummell...................460-only
Johnson (pitch)
Kleinow (Boston)........460-only
Konetchy (glove low)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitch)
McGraw (glove hip).....460-only
O'Leary (hds/knees)
Pfeffer......................460-only
Rucker (throw)
Seymour (throw)
Sheckard (glove)........460-only
Snodgrass (fldg)
Stahl (glove)
Street (fldg)
Sweeney (NY)
Tannehill (Chi-throw)....460-only
Wagner (bat/right)
Wheat........................460-only
Willis (throw)
CYoung (glove)

I REPEAT....any more Red HINDU's out there in Net54-land ? ?

T-Rex TED

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Added Addie Joss to the list....per Brian W's picture.

This brings confirmed T206's with Red HINDU backs to 44 cards.

Thanks Brian

TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Updated list of the 44 confirmed T206's with Red HINDU backs.....7/4/07

Possible total = 110 Subjects......however, I'm beginning to wonder that a fair number of the
remaining 66 subjects are "No-Prints"

Baker
Bender (no trees)
M. Brown (Chi)
Burch (fldg)
Chase (blue)..............super-print
Chase (dark cap)........super-print
Cobb (red).................super-print
Cobb (bat off)
Crandall (cap).............460-only
Davis (A's)
Devore.......................460-only
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Duffy..........................460-only
Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)
Evers (Chi-bat).............super-print
Ford............................460-only
Gandil..........................460-only
Geyer..........................460-only
Griffith (bat)
Hummell........................460-only
Johnson (pitch)
Joss (pitch)
Kleinow (Boston).............460-only
Konetchy (glove low)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitch)
McGraw (glove hip)..........460-only
O'Leary (hds/knees)
Pfeffer...........................460-only
Rucker (throw)
Seymour (throw)
Sheckard (glove).............460-only
Snodgrass (fldg)
Stahl (glove)
Street (fldg)
Sweeney (NY)
Tannehill (Chi-throw)........460-only
Wagner (bat/right)
Wheat............................460-only
Willis (throw)
CYoung (glove)

I'm looking for any more Red HINDU's out there....in Net54-land ?


A HAPPY 4th OF JULY TO ALL.........

TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Last call for all you guys and gals to show or tell us about your T206's with Red HINDU backs ?

Don't be shy.....show-off those pretty looking cards of yours.

TED Z

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Posted By: MVSNYC

hey guys, i just submitted the above posted hugh duffy red hindu to PSA for grading...thought we'd have a little fun and see how you think it will grade...2? 3? what are some of your thoughts? i will post the result next week, when i find out...


thanks!
MS

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

MIKE S

PSA 3

or

SGC 30 (2)

TED Z

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Posted By: MVSNYC

ted- i figure a PSA 3...

is SGC that much tuffer, that it would grade one notch lower with them?

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Posted By: Lee

Mike,

IMO, SGC can at times grade a bit tougher than PSA. I have had cards that look the same condition as your Red Hindu that got the grade of SGC 30.

Best,
Lee H

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

I'm far from the best person to talk about differences in Graded cards. But, my observation is that SGC graded
cards are more strictly graded than PSA. In fact, I would say GAI cards are more strictly graded than PSA.

TED Z

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Posted By: MVSNYC

lee/ted-

thanks for your opinions...

i agree that SGC can be tuffer at times, but i also have seen plenty of undergraded PSA cards too.

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

To steal a line from an old Peggy Lee song......"Is that all there is ?"......I don't think so.

UPDATED 7/10/07

Possible total = 110 Subjects....however, unless we find some more, I'm beginning to think that a fair
number of the remaining 66 subjects are "No-Prints".

44 confirmed Red HINDU's

Baker
Bender (no trees)
M. Brown (Chi)
Burch (fldg)
Chase (blue)..............super-print
Chase (dark cap)........super-print
Cobb (red).................super-print
Cobb (bat off)
Crandall (cap).............460-only
Davis (A's)
Devore.......................460-only
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Duffy..........................460-only
Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)
Evers (Chi-bat).............super-print
Ford............................460-only
Gandil..........................460-only
Geyer..........................460-only
Griffith (bat)
Hummell........................460-only
Johnson (pitch)
Joss (pitch)
Kleinow (Boston).............460-only
Konetchy (glove low)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitch)
McGraw (glove hip)..........460-only
O'Leary (hds/knees)
Pfeffer...........................460-only
Rucker (throw)
Seymour (throw)
Sheckard (glove).............460-only
Snodgrass (fldg)
Stahl (glove)
Street (fldg)
Sweeney (NY)
Tannehill (Chi-throw)........460-only
Wagner (bat/right)
Wheat............................460-only
Willis (throw)
CYoung (glove)

I'm still looking for any more Red HINDU's out there......this is worth another round, so let's see what
you T206 collectors in Net54-land can come up with ?

T-Rex TED

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Posted By: MVSNYC

the hugh duffy red hindu graded a PSA 2...i'm dissapointed.

see scan above.

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Gee, for a guy who is not that into graded cards, I guessed quite accurately on the grade
you would get for your Duffy.

TED Z

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Posted By: MVSNYC

good guess...

i'm not thrilled with the grade, but it is a clean HOF red hindu...

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Posted By: david Poses

i don't mean to hijack the thread, but is there a ratio of brown hindu to red hindu backs? how scarce are the brown hindus of any given player? is it more pronounced with southern leaguers (comparatively)?

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Posted By: Scot Reader

David,

If by "ratio of brown to red" you are talking about relative back scarcity, my survey data show that ratio is about 10:1, that is, red is roughly 10X scarcer than brown.

Scot

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Posted By: Dan Koochin

more T206 Red Hindu's :
Pfeister batting
ok , thats it, I've checked exhaustively through my old checklists
but that is the only player unlisted above. The only one I currently
own is a Red Hindu Johnny Evers. Wheat (HOF) seems to have the most
existing examples. Distribution? reasonable to asume a Louisiana issue,
possible distribution in Tennessee.

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Great to hear from you. Your Pfeister has been added to the list of Red HINDU's, which brings the total to 45.
Incidently, I think you meant "throwing" on the Pfeister card.

Thanks,
TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

UPDATED 7/14/07

Possible total = 110 Subjects....however, unless we find some more, I'm beginning to think that a fair
number of the remaining 65 subjects are "No-Prints".

45 confirmed Red HINDU's

Baker
Bender (no trees)
M. Brown (Chi)
Burch (fldg)
Chase (blue)..............super-print
Chase (dark cap)........super-print
Cobb (red).................super-print
Cobb (bat off)
Crandall (cap).............460-only
Davis (A's)
Devore.......................460-only
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (bat)
Downey (bat)
Larry Doyle (bat)
Duffy..........................460-only
Elberfeld (Wash-fldg)
Evers (Chi-bat).............super-print
Ford............................460-only
Gandil..........................460-only
Geyer..........................460-only
Griffith (bat)
Hummell........................460-only
Johnson (pitch)
Joss (pitch)
Kleinow (Boston).............460-only
Konetchy (glove low)
Magee (bat)
Manning (pitch)
McGraw (glove hip)..........460-only
O'Leary (hds/knees)
Pfeffer...........................460-only
Pfeister (throwing)
Rucker (throw)
Seymour (throw)
Sheckard (glove).............460-only
Snodgrass (fldg)
Stahl (glove)
Street (fldg)
Sweeney (NY)
Tannehill (Chi-throw)........460-only
Wagner (bat/right)
Wheat............................460-only
Willis (throw)
CYoung (glove)

Still looking for any more Red HINDU's out there......let's see what you T206 collectors in Net54-land
can come up with ?

TED Z

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

Shall we give this survey one more ride ?

There has to be more than just 45 - T206's with Red HINDU backs....Show or Tell us of the ones you have....
Mint ones....naked ones....graded ones....Vg ones....beat-up ones....whatever condition, we're not fussy.

TED Z

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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis

TONY

Here's the thread with the Red HINDU information you requested. If you have anymore questions, don't hesitate to ask me.

TED Z