T205 - The Elusive Gold Gilded Set

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by dabbuu

What about Collins yellow elephant, Hoffman with stripe, White no quotes, Snodgrass missing decimal? These are some if the hardest cards in the set.

I have to admit that there is a whole world of additional variations not commonly identified by the collecting community. Here are the ones I discovered that are detailed in a prewarcards.com article, some already mentioned above:

Collins, Eddie - closed mouth w/yellow elephant

Graham, George - Rustlers w/blue signature

Hoffman, Danny - yellow 2nd base

Miller, Dots - middle initial 'D'

Miller, Dots - middle initial 'D' with partial 'B'

Snodgrass, Fred - missing decimal point on .405 batting average

White, Doc - no quotation marks on Doc


Any others known out there? I suggest on all of these less recognized variations that Speckled EGGS be awarded (otherwise known as an asterisk). So for example, if you have three of the above variations, you would have three asterisks beside your total.

The applicable saying could be as follows: You shouldn't put all your EGGS in the basket before they hatch"

Brian

[dabbuu]

I think you have a full list now

[Alexcards]

Not sure if you T205 fans have notice but CSG is now adding the back variation on T205s!!!!! I'm not sure what took so long... this should have been a no brainer from the very beginning.... shame on PSA ... This should be an automatic.

[Wite3]

Well...overall I think this is fairly accurate although I would add a point to the following...

Grant (very tough card and popular due to military service)
Wilhelm "suffe ed" (popular and tougher than people think)
Suggs (very tough)
Rowan (also very tough)


Everything else seems in line with my research...my two cents.

Joshua

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Wite3

Well...overall I think this is fairly accurate although I would add a point to the following...

Grant (very tough card and popular due to military service)
Wilhelm "suffe ed" (popular and tougher than people think)
Suggs (very tough)
Rowan (also very tough)


Everything else seems in line with my research...my two cents.

Joshua

When I think of a T205 collector, Joshua comes first to my mind. Grant, Wilhelm - suffe ed, and Suggs also correspond to suggestions I have from another long term collector/researcher that has contacted me about potential adjustments, so I will definitely be making the points move on those 3. I will be dropping down Baker, Bresnahan - mouth open, and Young by one point each to make things 400 point appropriate. Still some other suggestions from this other collector that I need to go over on the list...it is getting about as close to solidification as a jar of honey set outside in cold weather (actually not sure about my analogy. Got to look it up on Google).

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Here is the update, which is this close to finalization.

Brian


Cards with EGS value of 2:

Adkins, Doc ML

Baker

Barger, Cy - partial B on cap

Batch, Emil ML

Bender, Chief

Bresnahan - mouth closed

Brown, Mordecai

Cady, Hick ML

Chance, Frank

Chase - border on shirt

Chase - no border on shirt

Clarke, Fred

Collins, Eddie - mouth closed

Crandall, Otis - 'T' not crossed

Daubert, Jake

Donohue, Jiggs SP

Dougherty - red sock

Dougherty - white sock

Duffy, Hugh

Dunn, Jack ML

Ford, Russ - white cap

Frick, James ML

Gray, Dolly - no stats

Griffith, Clarke

Hanford, Charles ML

Harmon, Robert - only left ear shows

Hoblitzell, Dick - name incorrect/no Cin. after 1908

Huggins, Miller

Jennings, Hugh

Karger, Ed SP

Kleinow, Red SP

Lee, Wyatt ML

Leifield, Lefty - A.P. Leifield on front

Marquard, Rube

McAllister, Sport ML

McGraw, John

Merritt, George ML

Nee, John ML

Phelan, James ML

Rowan, John SP

Scanlan, Doc SP

Sweeney, Jeff SP

Tinker, Joe

Vaughn, Hippo SP

Wagner, Heinie SP

Wallace, Bobby - with cap

Wheat, Zack

White, Kirb SP

Wiltse, Hooks - only right ear shows


Cards with EGS value of 3:

Chase, Hal - only left ear shows

Cicotte, Eddie

Dahlen, Bill SP

Evers, Johnny

Fisher, Ray SP

Graham, George - Cubs

Grant, Ed SP

Hoblitzell, Dick - name correct/no Cin. after 1908

Latham, Arlie - W.A. Latham on back

Raymond, Bugs SP

Shean, David - Cubs

Suggs, George SP

Turner, Terry SP

Wallace, Bobby - no cap/2 lines of 1910 stats


Cards with value of 4:

Bresnahan, Roger - mouth open

Collins, Eddie - mouth open

Collins, Jimmy ML

Speaker, Tris

Walsh, Ed SP


Cards with a value of 5:

Gray, Dolly - stats on back

Mathewson, Christy

Moran, Pat - stray line of type

Wilhelm, Kaiser - suffe ed in 18th line of bio SP


Cards with a value of 6 or more (EGGS value in parenthesis):

Cobb, Ty (12)

Hoblitzell, Dick - no stats on back (18)

Johnson, Walter (6)

Joss, Addie SP (7)

Mathewson, Christy - Cycle Back, incorrect stats (14)

Wallace, Bobby - no cap - 1 line of 1910 stats (6)

Wilhelm, Kaiser - suffered in 18th line of bio (10)

Young, Cy (6)

[orioles70]

I think it's appropriate that there are EGGSactly a dozen with a value over 4

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[orioles70]

Will a random lot of common T205's in various condition now be referred to as scrambled eggs...or maybe an omelette? And what if a lot has Ty in it...a Cobb salad?

And will a seriously beat up T205 be a rotten egg?

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[orioles70]

Maybe the top tier T205's can be called hard boiled?

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[orioles70]

If someone snipes you in an auction on a card...I guess they poached you

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[orioles70]

I think I will add a little egg sticker with a number insert to my graded T205 cards

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[Leon]

I think Cobb should be exempt from the quantity rule!

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[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Leon

I think Cobb should be exempt from the quantity rule!
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That's the type of talk that could classify you as an EGGS Benedict Arnold.

Brian

[T205 GB]

I have little to add but Grant is the only one that I could see moving up anymore.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by T205 GB

I have little to add but Grant is the only one that I could see moving up anymore.

Thanks Andrew. I did move Grant up from the 2 level to 3 based upon Joshua and that other advanced collector, so I think I will leave him at the 3 level.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Here is the final EGGS values for the set...thanks to all the input from everyone. I tried my best to synthesize all the info I received, and I am sure I slighted some while favoring others, including my own sensibilities. The final changes I made involved three cards (two up 1 point, Moran - stray line and Wallace - no cap, 1 line of stats, and one down 1 point, Fisher) that a collector provided after going thoroughly over the list. To maintain the 400 point total I had to drop one card by 1 point (Mathewson - Cycle incorrect stats). This collector also had six additional cards that he thought could be raised (Harmon - only one ear shows, Hoblitzell - name incorrect no Cin., Hoblitzell - name correct, no Cin., Karger, Kleinow, and Wagner. I just didn't feel I could subtract more points from others, and these were not noted by others that they should be raised, so they shall remain at their previous levels.

In a few days I will launch the new T205 EGGS thread, as has been done previously for the T206 (Monster) and E90-1 (Kraken) sets, and hope to see a bunch of folks participate in that thread as well. Thanks again, and below is the final EGGS list that will be included on that thread.

Brian


Cards with EGS value of 2:

Adkins, Doc ML

Baker, Frank

Barger, Cy - partial B on cap

Batch, Emil ML

Bender, Chief

Bresnahan, Roger - mouth closed

Brown, Mordecai

Cady, Hick ML

Chance, Frank

Chase, Hal - border on shirt

Chase, Hal - no border on shirt

Clarke, Fred

Collins, Eddie - mouth closed

Crandall, Otis - 'T' not crossed

Daubert, Jake

Donohue, Jiggs SP

Dougherty, Patsy - red sock

Dougherty, Patsy - white sock

Duffy, Hugh

Dunn, Jack ML

Fisher, Ray SP

Ford, Russ - white cap

Frick, James ML

Gray, Dolly - no stats

Griffith, Clarke

Hanford, Charles ML

Harmon, Robert - only left ear shows

Hoblitzell, Dick - name incorrect/no Cin. after 1908

Huggins, Miller

Jennings, Hugh

Karger, Ed SP

Kleinow, Red SP

Lee, Wyatt ML

Leifield, Lefty - A.P. Leifield on front

Marquard, Rube

McAllister, Sport ML

McGraw, John

Merritt, George ML

Nee, John ML

Phelan, James ML

Rowan, John SP

Scanlan, Doc SP

Sweeney, Jeff SP

Tinker, Joe

Vaughn, Hippo SP

Wagner, Heinie SP

Wallace, Bobby - with cap

Wheat, Zack

White, Kirb SP

Wiltse, Hooks - only right ear shows


Cards with EGS value of 3:

Chase, Hal - only left ear shows

Cicotte, Eddie

Dahlen, Bill SP

Evers, Johnny

Graham, George - Cubs

Grant, Ed SP

Hoblitzell, Dick - name correct/no Cin. after 1908

Latham, Arlie - W.A. Latham on back

Raymond, Bugs SP

Shean, David - Cubs

Suggs, George SP

Turner, Terry SP

Wallace, Bobby - no cap/2 lines of 1910 stats


Cards with value of 4:

Bresnahan, Roger - mouth open

Collins, Eddie - mouth open

Collins, Jimmy ML

Speaker, Tris

Walsh, Ed SP


Cards with a value of 5:

Gray, Dolly - stats on back

Mathewson, Christy - correct stats

Wilhelm, Kaiser - suffe ed in 18th line of bio SP


Cards with a value of 6:

Johnson, Walter

Moran, Pat - stray line of type

Young, Cy


Cards with a value of 7 or more (EGGS value in parenthesis):

Cobb, Ty (12)

Hoblitzell, Dick - no stats on back (18)

Joss, Addie SP (7)

Mathewson, Christy - Cycle Back, incorrect stats (13)

Wallace, Bobby - no cap - 1 line of 1910 stats (7)

Wilhelm, Kaiser - suffered in 18th line of bio (10)

[Casey2296]

Great job Brian, you're an asset to this community. Just don't sit on any walls...

[familytoad]

I finished my excel version of The EGGS calculator tonight, based on the final tally.
The chase to 400 Eggs can begin!

Email me for a copy. Mail to: My username at Comcast dot net.

It’s incredibly easy to use and you’ll be able to promptly count your EGGS even if they haven’t hatched.

I’m going to hold off posting my score until the new thread starts but it’s pretty cool to see!

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Great job Brian, you're an asset to this community. Just don't sit on any walls...

Thanks Phil. Like Humpty, I've been known to straddle a few walls, but hopefully unlike Mr. Dumpty, I will not suffer a great fall.

To clarify, a great fall in esteem from folks (such as Phil and Brian and the rest of the Net54 community), due to a sour reception to the future thread.

Brian

[rats60]

Originally Posted by familytoad

I finished my excel version of The EGGS calculator tonight, based on the final tally.
The chase to 400 Eggs can begin!

Email me for a copy. Mail to: My username at Comcast dot net.

It’s incredibly easy to use and you’ll be able to promptly count your EGGS even if they haven’t hatched.

I’m going to hold off posting my score until the new thread starts but it’s pretty cool to see!

That should be helpful. I just did the 208 "front" set. I am missing the 7 rarest back variations which is 62 points, so I guess I have 338 eggs in my basket.

Brian, thanks for doing this. T205 is such a great set, beautiful and more difficult than appears due to all of the short prints.