Just Another 1952 Mantle PSA 9

[jfkheat]

As anyone found this on Heritage's site? I can't find it.
James

[glynparson]

Heritage sent out the mailer not sure if it is on site yet but it is being sold by heritage, it was not dreamt up by the OP.

[jfkheat]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Heritage sent out the mailer not sure if it is on site yet but it is being sold by heritage, it was not dreamt up by the OP.

I didn't think that is was dreamed up by the OP. I just find it odd that a card of this significance is not on their site preview of the auction. I saw the card at Evan's table in Chicago last year. As others have said, it deserves the grade it got. I hope Evan does beyond his expectations at the auction.
Jame

[insidethewrapper]

Here's the prices on the psacard.com site: https://www.psacard.com/auctionprice...summary/178927

I should have bought the PSA 9 at $ 240K. I had a chance years ago for a very nice one at $ 500, didn't have the money then.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

who could that be????

One might be able to surmize the answer...

[ullmandds]

And I apologize for my "yawn." This particular copy of the doubleprinted, faux mantle rookie is actually a supreme copy with perfect centering...which is rare!

Best of luck on the sale!

[insidethewrapper]

I thought WWII was over by 1952 !

[aconte]

Good luck with it Evan!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

I thought WWII was over by 1952 !

section placement is selectively enforced dontcha know!

[rjackson44]

oh my

[Leon]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

section placement is selectively enforced dontcha know!

+1

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by Leon

+1

Agreed. This is big hobby news and warrants max visibility. I think most are interested in following less a couple yawners here or there.

[MVSNYC]

I’ll translate Leon’s “+1”...regardless of era, a post about a card this big and important, that’ll sell for multi-million dollars, and transcends the hobby, can reside on the main board page.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

I’ll translate Leon’s “+1”...regardless of era, a post about a card this big and important, that’ll sell for multi-million dollars, and transcends the hobby, can reside on the main board page.

Agreed. It's a pretty important bit of news for a card like this to hit the market. While there are very few bidders for a card like this, I feel confident it's selling north of $3 million.

[Yoda]

At least, you will be selling into a bull market, and I see all those hedgies and private equity guys, flush with bonuses, going wild over this card. Keep my fingers crossed for you.

[leaflover]

Don't forget the sales tax!

[Republicaninmass]

Oh man you outed my auction

[Batpig]

I always find it funny when someone gets on their high horse about their personal opinion of valuable cardboard vs someone else's.

[MR RAREBACK]

I wish I could afford it

[CobbSpikedMe]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

I would not doubt that’s his consignment.

Evan, I hope this card crushes the estimate.

Sorry I doubted you Evan. Like I said, I hope you do great with the auction.


AndyH

[Touch'EmAll]

Good market for the seller, and sounds like he would like to sell it. They buyer will get a great card that they want. The selling outfit makes a little money. Pretty much a Win-Win-Win for all. Best of luck to both seller and buyer.

[CW]

slightly better image until the auction hits

[WWG]

Originally Posted by CW

slightly better image until the auction hits

Was that at last years National? Beautiful card and dead on centering.

[jfkheat]

Originally Posted by WWG

Was that at last years National? Beautiful card and dead on centering.

Yes. Evan also had a PSA 10 1953 Topps Mantle in his showcase.
James

[Stonepony]

It may be board heresy, but lay this card next to any known t206 Wagner and I would choose the Mantle for MY collection.

[1952boyntoncollector]

man.. you guys have outed this auction....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Stonepony

It may be board heresy, but lay this card next to any known t206 Wagner and I would choose the Mantle for MY collection.

Not even a close call for me. There are what, 50 or so known Wagners? Compared to thousands of Mantles. For (relatively speaking) very little money one could get a nice EX MT or NM Mantle. From a collecting, not investing, perspective, is knowing the 9 is going to look better under a loupe really worth millions?

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not even a close call for me. There are what, 50 or so known Wagners? Compared to thousands of Mantles. For (relatively speaking) very little money one could get a nice EX MT or NM Mantle. From a collecting, not investing, perspective, is knowing the 9 is going to look better under a loupe really worth millions?

totally agree with you pete...no contest for me either.

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not even a close call for me. There are what, 50 or so known Wagners? Compared to thousands of Mantles. For (relatively speaking) very little money one could get a nice EX MT or NM Mantle. From a collecting, not investing, perspective, is knowing the 9 is going to look better under a loupe really worth millions?

I totally understand the sentiment, but man, that Mantle 9 is cardboard perfection. It's like looking at the Grail; I almost need to avert my gaze it's so pretty. For those who value aesthetics over rarity, I can see why some may prefer this over a low grade Wagner. But I'll never be a player for either, so I admit my opinion really doesn't matter much here.

[Orioles1954]

I'll pass on both and choose a Baltimore News Ruth instead.

[edhans]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not even a close call for me. There are what, 50 or so known Wagners? Compared to thousands of Mantles. For (relatively speaking) very little money one could get a nice EX MT or NM Mantle. From a collecting, not investing, perspective, is knowing the 9 is going to look better under a loupe really worth millions?

+1 here as well.

[joshuanip]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

I’ll translate Leon’s “+1”...regardless of era, a post about a card this big and important, that’ll sell for multi-million dollars, and transcends the hobby, can reside on the main board page.

+1 making the popcorn and set my reminder for the auction to watch...

[clydepepper]

Hey, Honus. How do you feel about all this fuss over a Post-War Double-Printed Non-Rookie Card?

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[rats60]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

I totally understand the sentiment, but man, that Mantle 9 is cardboard perfection. It's like looking at the Grail; I almost need to avert my gaze it's so pretty. For those who value aesthetics over rarity, I can see why some may prefer this over a low grade Wagner. But I'll never be a player for either, so I admit my opinion really doesn't matter much here.

Put it next to the jumbo Wagner or a similar grade and I will take the Wagner, no doubt. Same for Baltimore News Ruth PSA 4.

[thunderdan]

Evan-it's a beautiful card and I hope it crushes the estimates. Thanks for showing it to me at last year's national.

[npa589]

Honestly though, when I saw first saw this Mantle in the picture, I felt like I was sinning.

As much as I would like to simply say I'd take a nice Wagner --- I honestly think I would take this Mantle if such a choice was miraculously offered to me. There is just something about the Mantle, even though I don't collect any Topps series at all, or care for the Yankees in the slightest.

I think I know what it is though - I grew up in the Beckett era, and would spend hours looking at, and dreaming about "XRC!", the italicized names, the emboldened prices that were seemingly infinitely higher than any other card in the price guide - and just a tad bit higher than my EX-MT 1990 Score Sammy Sosa that I had in my special "Cases Box". It was the 1952 Mantle and the 1984-85 Star Michael Jordan that held that lore for me. So, even though I now collect T206 and other Pre-War Cubs - it still isn't enough to overcome the overall nostalgia of scouring over every new Beckett price guide to see the unattainable cards from years that not even my dad experienced. Combine that with stories from my grandpa about Mantle, Williams, and there you have it: nostalgia bias.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

I totally understand the sentiment, but man, that Mantle 9 is cardboard perfection. It's like looking at the Grail; I almost need to avert my gaze it's so pretty. For those who value aesthetics over rarity, I can see why some may prefer this over a low grade Wagner. But I'll never be a player for either, so I admit my opinion really doesn't matter much here.

Would you feel the same way if it was raw and you weren't influenced by the flip?

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Would you feel the same way if it was raw and you weren't influenced by the flip?

I'd take that Mantle raw over a Wagner. I'm influenced by its beauty and because I love the card, the player, and the team. And as a collector of that card I can appreciate how rare that specimen's overall beauty is. Just as I am not influenced by the Wagner's value, because in my collecting journey I've never really felt pulled to own the Wagner. I appreciate its significance, yet no matter how hard I try sometimes, I just don't have a strong connection to it.

Bottom line, to each his own.

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by npa589

Honestly though, when I saw first saw this Mantle in the picture, I felt like I was sinning.

As much as I would like to simply say I'd take a nice Wagner --- I honestly think I would take this Mantle if such a choice was miraculously offered to me. There is just something about the Mantle, even though I don't collect any Topps series at all, or care for the Yankees in the slightest.

I think I know what it is though - I grew up in the Beckett era, and would spend hours looking at, and dreaming about "XRC!", the italicized names, the emboldened prices that were seemingly infinitely higher than any other card in the price guide - and just a tad bit higher than my EX-MT 1990 Score Sammy Sosa that I had in my special "Cases Box". It was the 1952 Mantle and the 1984-85 Star Michael Jordan that held that lore for me. So, even though I now collect T206 and other Pre-War Cubs - it still isn't enough to overcome the overall nostalgia of scouring over every new Beckett price guide to see the unattainable cards from years that not even my dad experienced. Combine that with stories from my grandpa about Mantle, Williams, and there you have it: nostalgia bias.

I was born in '76 and feel the same way. Nostalgia is a powerful force in collecting cards and everyone's life gives them nostalgic connections to different cards.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Hey, Honus. How do you feel about all this fuss over a Post-War Double-Printed Non-Rookie Card?

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How many 9s and above are there? How many Wagner’s are there?

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not even a close call for me. There are what, 50 or so known Wagners? Compared to thousands of Mantles. For (relatively speaking) very little money one could get a nice EX MT or NM Mantle. From a collecting, not investing, perspective, is knowing the 9 is going to look better under a loupe really worth millions?

So for you, it appears that overall rarity vs condition is most important. I can totally relate as a photo Collector. The Mantle sure is pretty though. By far, the most ICONIC/recognizable baseball card(Americana) and MINT.

[darwinbulldog]

I had a Mantle once, just a PSA 1, so I could say I owned one. And that was kind of fun, but it's not a card that I ever would have cared much about except for other people's opinions. I like owning rookie cards of the top players, I like owning rare cards, and I like owning cards I find aesthetically pleasing. But the '52 Topps Mantle isn't any of those, and neither is the T206 Wagner. I'd be happy to own either one of course, but I'd rather have the money.

[ergoism]

Originally Posted by rats60

Put it next to the jumbo Wagner or a similar grade and I will take the Wagner, no doubt. Same for Baltimore News Ruth PSA 4. It is a nice card, but how do we even know it is not altered? With the history of this hobby and grading companies, this type of premium is insane to me.

I'll take them all, they're all great cards. How do you know any of them are not altered? If you're going to throw around words like that on the most valuable thing I own I'm afraid I'm triggered and will have to request that you identify yourself in your posts per forum rules.

[irv]

Beautiful card!

Good luck. I hope you get more than you are hoping to get.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Forever Young

So for you, it appears that overall rarity vs condition is most important. I can totally relate as a photo Collector. The Mantle sure is pretty though. By far, the most ICONIC/recognizable baseball card(Americana) and MINT.

Absolutely, it's a beautiful card. As a collector I would just rather have a Wagner; or a NM Mantle and the millions in difference between a 7 and a 9 to spend on something else if I had to make a choice.

[donniebaseball]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Would you feel the same way if it was raw and you weren't influenced by the flip?

I don't think that the flip has anything to do with this example. The card is incredible with elite centering, registration, color, and corners. It is potentially the best 52T Mantle in the hobby.

A collector may prefer other cards from different eras but that is their choice. To each their own. Differing opinions are what makes the hobby interesting.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by donniebaseball

I don't think that the flip has anything to do with this example. The card is incredible with elite centering, registration, color, and corners. It is potentially the best 52T Mantle in the hobby.

A collector may prefer other cards from different eras but that is their choice. To each their own. Differing opinions are what makes the hobby interesting.

Perhaps, but put it in an 8.5 holder or another TPG holder and its market value goes down exponentially. And you can't judge the corners from the scans that have been provided, IMO.

[donniebaseball]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Perhaps, but put it in an 8.5 holder or another TPG holder and its market value goes down exponentially. And you can't judge the corners from the scans that have been provided, IMO.

Good points. I meant that you are not trying to convince yourself that this card belongs in the holder. No question from my stand point.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by donniebaseball

Good points. I meant that you are not trying to convince yourself that this card belongs in the holder. No question from my stand point.

It probably does belong, no reason to think it doesn't, I'm just making the obvious point that the flip for better or worse is a big part of the perceived value.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by insidethewrapper

I thought WWII was over by 1952 !

Depending on how you look at it, it lasted till 1974..

https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/17/world...ies/index.html