Was told to post these pins in here so I am.

[perezfan]

If you dabble in it long enough, you'll get a feel for which ribbons/charms are appropriate to which Pins. To me, it doesn't matter whether they were applied by the Vendor or by the Manufacturer, as long as both components are vintage and "of the era". Since this is how they were sold at the Stadiums, that's the way I prefer them.

I dislike the recent creations, such as all the mini pennant versions and the bright new ribbons with incorrect fabric. The amount of wear on the pin should match the wear on the ribbons and charms.

[mjkm90]

Originally Posted by perezfan

If you dabble in it long enough, you'll get a feel for which ribbons/charms are appropriate to which Pins. To me, it doesn't matter whether they were applied by the Vendor or by the Manufacturer, as long as both components are vintage and "of the era". Since this is how they were sold at the Stadiums, that's the way I prefer them.

I dislike the recent creations, such as all the mini pennant versions and the bright new ribbons with incorrect fabric. The amount of wear on the pin should match the wear on the ribbons and charms.

+1

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by MK

While not proof, what I found in an old classified ad on the internet does add credence to my theory that the ribbons and tinkets attached to pins were done by the vendors. The persons name is not in the ad, but the information is very interesting.

That's pretty convincing. But I'm also sure that other combinations of pins and accessories were shipped that way to the distributors or vendors. I cited the example of your Senators pin. Another is the rare 1937 All-Star game pin with red, white, and blue ribbons and small plastic batter. I've had two of these and seen one or two elsewhere and they were all the same. And there are the ribbons specific to the pin, like a different 1937 All-Star game pin where the ribbon lists the players. So, I'm guessing it's a mixed bag, with some put together at the factory and some at retail. The distinction would be interesting to know, but, as others have said, the main thing is that the combinations be period, and not recent Frankensteins.

[MK]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

That's pretty convincing. But I'm also sure that other combinations of pins and accessories were shipped that way to the distributors or vendors. I cited the example of your Senators pin. Another is the rare 1937 All-Star game pin with red, white, and blue ribbons and small plastic batter. I've had two of these and seen one or two elsewhere and they were all the same. And there are the ribbons specific to the pin, like a different 1937 All-Star game pin where the ribbon lists the players. So, I'm guessing it's a mixed bag, with some put together at the factory and some at retail. The distinction would be interesting to know, but, as others have said, the main thing is that the combinations be period, and not recent Frankensteins.

You could be right. Or, it may have only been sold by one vendor at the 1937 All Star Game who decorated them all the same. There are several PM-10 pins from the 1930s which almost always have small pennants attached. It is obvious these pennants were designed to be attached to pins. These may have come directly from the factory.

[Hankphenom]

Yes, those PM-10s must have come with the mini-pennants, or perhaps came separately with attachment required by the vendor. The red, white, and blue ribbons on your 1937 All-Star pin, along with the 1&1/4 inch size of the pin, I have on two other Senators pins, which could date them to the same era. One has a small plastic batter and the other has a keychain with a gray plastic glove and white ball. I've always thought they were period, and their similarity to the all-star pin could date them. I assume that plastic accessories predate metal ones, generally speaking, though I have no proof of that. We've all seen the store displays of 50 or so keychains with metal gloves, balls, and bats, I'm sure those have been a great resource for dealers creating the Frankensteins. That had never occurred to me before now.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

Wow I love the traction this thread gained!! Love the information! This is amazing and I'm learning so much!

Just a little curious is that you now on ebay as Findnsell2u.. It seems to me you know alot more about things than you say!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by batsballsbases

Just a little curious is that you now on ebay as Findnsell2u.. It seems to me you know alot more about things than you say!

I could be wrong, but if you are just buying these to resell and profit, it seems inappropriate to be continuously asking experts like Al for advice on every item you are thinking of buying. You came across as a new collector looking to get grounded but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by perezfan

If you dabble in it long enough, you'll get a feel for which ribbons/charms are appropriate to which Pins. To me, it doesn't matter whether they were applied by the Vendor or by the Manufacturer, as long as both components are vintage and "of the era". Since this is how they were sold at the Stadiums, that's the way I prefer them.

I dislike the recent creations, such as all the mini pennant versions and the bright new ribbons with incorrect fabric. The amount of wear on the pin should match the wear on the ribbons and charms.

This. I'm not saying that pins weren't sold at the events with dangly stuff, just that when I first started looking at pins I rarely saw them with dangly stuff intact. If concessionaires added them it would make sense that the wear a piece of cloth could take over time might cause the owner to remove it and toss it. Those super clean, sharp ribbons and pennants, nope, sorry, not gonna buy that as vintage.

Sometimes the dangly stuff is better than the pin. I had a routine Archie Moore pin (which is a $10-$20 pin) but it had an awesome pair of vintage leather mini-gloves attached that were probably rarer and more valuable than the pin.

[autograf]

Also of the camp these are created items. Seaweed isn't the only one doing it either. Is it wrong? Not entirely sure. They are what they are. Think he should say honestly that the items were combined to give them a more period feel if he can't ensure that they came that way. I've bought pins from him as well as Colgans chips and he is very accommodating with his make offer items. I've gotten items at 50% off many times. And times he's countered. I haven't bought PM10's from him but have bought 1956 Topps pins as well as others.

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I could be wrong, but if you are just buying these to resell and profit, it seems inappropriate to be continuously asking experts like Al for advice on every item you are thinking of buying. You came across as a new collector looking to get grounded but that doesn't seem to be the case.

I am a new collector to vintage cards and pins etc. I have had memorabilia my whole life and collected new sports cards. I believe I stated elsewhere on this forum that my intention with these pins was to buy these and sell them all except for the Jackies. I was hoping to get the Jackies for free by doing this. I am a huge jackie collector, and paid about 900 dollars for the jackie pins and 3200 for the lot total. So I was hoping I could make a 20-25% profit by doing this and get my Jackies for free. I have lived on this site the past few weeks reading thread after thread to gain as much knowledge as possible. I am looking to get grounded here and trying to absorb all the knowledge I can. I am sorry if it came off that way as it definitely is not my intention. I LOVE buying and selling so please don't get me wrong, but before everything else I have a die hard passion for collecting. Brooklyn Dodgers and Yankees vintage especially. I hate that it looks the way you are saying because that is totally not me. Just alone this past month for my own collection I purchased:

1949 Bowman PSA 7 Jackie Robinson
1956 Topps PSA 7 Jackie Robinson
1940 Play Ball PSA 4.5 Joe Jackson
1958 Topps All-Stars PSA 7 Mickey Mantle
1934 Quaker Oats pin PSA 8 Babe Ruth
B18 Blanket Joe Jackson
Ferguson Bakery Pennant Joe Jackson
Assorted Jackie Pins

The ONLY stuff I attempted to sell on here was my vintage memorabilia I have had already from prior collecting, my SGC Christy Mathewson which I bought for resale as well as my Joe D Leaf PSA 3 which I also bought for resale and my walter johnson B18 Blanket. I believe all my threads will back me up. If you read my posts you can tell I'm still very green with the vintage card collecting which is why I ask.

I was wrong on the hank aaron rookie (FAKE), ted williams leaf card (FAKE), and a ungraded ty cobb red portrait (altered) and mantle 60 topps (NM but graded 5). I have been able to get my money back BUT lesson learned to stay away from raw cards like you guys have been saying.

I have read posts on pins here, bond bread cards, bobble heads, grading companies etc etc and it has been MORE than helpful... but please do not make me look like something I am not. I am a young guy just learning and also trying to make a buck in the process to support my family.

Hope this clarifies everything.

[Leon]

Thanks for the explanation for others (I didn't need one). You are doing fine. Keep doing what you are doing. Many, if not most of us, buy and sell to support our habit collection. ALL of us who have been doing this long enough have bought/traded for a fake/altered card or memorabilia before. It's part of how we learn. And if anyone hasn't, then they haven't bought and sold enough for long enough....

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

I am a new collector to vintage cards and pins etc. I have had memorabilia my whole life and collected new sports cards. I believe I stated elsewhere on this forum that my intention with these pins was to buy these and sell them all except for the Jackies. I was hoping to get the Jackies for free by doing this. I am a huge jackie collector, and paid about 900 dollars for the jackie pins and 3200 for the lot total. So I was hoping I could make a 20-25% profit by doing this and get my Jackies for free. I have lived on this site the past few weeks reading thread after thread to gain as much knowledge as possible. I am looking to get grounded here and trying to absorb all the knowledge I can. I am sorry if it came off that way as it definitely is not my intention. I LOVE buying and selling so please don't get me wrong, but before everything else I have a die hard passion for collecting. Brooklyn Dodgers and Yankees vintage especially. I hate that it looks the way you are saying because that is totally not me. Just alone this past month for my own collection I purchased:

1949 Bowman PSA 7 Jackie Robinson
1956 Topps PSA 7 Jackie Robinson
1940 Play Ball PSA 4.5 Joe Jackson
1958 Topps All-Stars PSA 7 Mickey Mantle
1934 Quaker Oats pin PSA 8 Babe Ruth
B18 Blanket Joe Jackson
Ferguson Bakery Pennant Joe Jackson
Assorted Jackie Pins

The ONLY stuff I attempted to sell on here was my vintage memorabilia I have had already from prior collecting, my SGC Christy Mathewson which I bought for resale as well as my Joe D Leaf PSA 3 which I also bought for resale and my walter johnson B18 Blanket. I believe all my threads will back me up. If you read my posts you can tell I'm still very green with the vintage card collecting which is why I ask.

I was wrong on the hank aaron rookie (FAKE), ted williams leaf card (FAKE), and a ungraded ty cobb red portrait (altered) and mantle 60 topps (NM but graded 5). I have been able to get my money back BUT lesson learned to stay away from raw cards like you guys have been saying.

I have read posts on pins here, bond bread cards, bobble heads, grading companies etc etc and it has been MORE than helpful... but please do not make me look like something I am not. I am a young guy just learning and also trying to make a buck in the process to support my family.

Hope this clarifies everything.

[irv]

Originally Posted by EYECOLLECTVINTAGE

I am a new collector to vintage cards and pins etc. I have had memorabilia my whole life and collected new sports cards. I believe I stated elsewhere on this forum that my intention with these pins was to buy these and sell them all except for the Jackies. I was hoping to get the Jackies for free by doing this. I am a huge jackie collector, and paid about 900 dollars for the jackie pins and 3200 for the lot total. So I was hoping I could make a 20-25% profit by doing this and get my Jackies for free. I have lived on this site the past few weeks reading thread after thread to gain as much knowledge as possible. I am looking to get grounded here and trying to absorb all the knowledge I can. I am sorry if it came off that way as it definitely is not my intention. I LOVE buying and selling so please don't get me wrong, but before everything else I have a die hard passion for collecting. Brooklyn Dodgers and Yankees vintage especially. I hate that it looks the way you are saying because that is totally not me. Just alone this past month for my own collection I purchased:

1949 Bowman PSA 7 Jackie Robinson
1956 Topps PSA 7 Jackie Robinson
1940 Play Ball PSA 4.5 Joe Jackson
1958 Topps All-Stars PSA 7 Mickey Mantle
1934 Quaker Oats pin PSA 8 Babe Ruth
B18 Blanket Joe Jackson
Ferguson Bakery Pennant Joe Jackson
Assorted Jackie Pins

The ONLY stuff I attempted to sell on here was my vintage memorabilia I have had already from prior collecting, my SGC Christy Mathewson which I bought for resale as well as my Joe D Leaf PSA 3 which I also bought for resale and my walter johnson B18 Blanket. I believe all my threads will back me up. If you read my posts you can tell I'm still very green with the vintage card collecting which is why I ask.

I was wrong on the hank aaron rookie (FAKE), ted williams leaf card (FAKE), and a ungraded ty cobb red portrait (altered) and mantle 60 topps (NM but graded 5). I have been able to get my money back BUT lesson learned to stay away from raw cards like you guys have been saying.

I have read posts on pins here, bond bread cards, bobble heads, grading companies etc etc and it has been MORE than helpful... but please do not make me look like something I am not. I am a young guy just learning and also trying to make a buck in the process to support my family.

Hope this clarifies everything.

I was going to ask you last night in another thread if you won the lottery, LOL. (j/k none of my business)

I am also somewhat like you, I am fairly new here, trying to learn as much as possible, etc, and hoping to collect some for the joy but also in hopes to return a profit in order to help my son get through college or university. (If I have to?) If I don't, then I hope to turn my collection over to him someday.

Being in Canada, with the current exchange rate, shipping etc, makes it difficult for me to say the least. That, and trying to convince my wife that I am investing and not just blowing money is tough too.

I just received two very low cost cards I purchased through e-bay ($5 and the other around $12) but the shipping/import killed the fact I got them cheap.

Not sure my path forward at this point as I'd still like to collect/purchase, but based on what I can afford and the time it will take to at least break even, when you factor in the exchange, shipping, duty, I think I'm in a uphill battle?

I am grateful and very lucky to have received the cards I have from my Father, so I guess I should just be happy with that, and hopefully, like I mentioned, someday pass them onto my son.

I will still continue to be on this site, and hopefully I can purchase from here rather than the other avenues in hopes it will save me some money, but if not, then, like I mentioned, I will just enjoy the cards I do have and be happy with that.

Thanks for your story, and good luck in your quest.

[EYECOLLECTVINTAGE]

Originally Posted by irv

I was going to ask you last night in another thread if you won the lottery, LOL. (j/k none of my business)

I am also somewhat like you, I am fairly new here, trying to learn as much as possible, etc, and hoping to collect some for the joy but also in hopes to return a profit in order to help my son get through college or university. (If I have to?) If I don't, then I hope to turn my collection over to him someday.

Being in Canada, with the current exchange rate, shipping etc, makes it difficult for me to say the least. That, and trying to convince my wife that I am investing and not just blowing money is tough too.

I just received two very low cost cards I purchased through e-bay ($5 and the other around $12) but the shipping/import killed the fact I got them cheap.

Not sure my path forward at this point as I'd still like to collect/purchase, but based on what I can afford and the time it will take to at least break even, when you factor in the exchange, shipping, duty, I think I'm in a uphill battle?

I am grateful and very lucky to have received the cards I have from my Father, so I guess I should just be happy with that, and hopefully, like I mentioned, someday pass them onto my son.

I will still continue to be on this site, and hopefully I can purchase from here rather than the other avenues in hopes it will save me some money, but if not, then, like I mentioned, I will just enjoy the cards I do have and be happy with that.

Thanks for your story, and good luck in your quest.

Thank you for YOUR story! I love hearing stuff like that. At the end of the day I feel like we are all one in the same hobby trying to achieve similar goals for the most part. I wish you the absolute best in your journey!