Brandon Steiner hardly slept at all last night

[bender07]

So they don't cater to the right type of collectors based on our standards, so they're not worth doing business with?

I don't like the new shiny baseball cards but that doesn't mean those who currently collect it won't, one day, want to collect what we deem as the acceptable stuff?

[bender07]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Here is the thread. It makes me sick to my stomach.....

http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=908573

Sounds ugly but it appears it's moving towards closure per the op.

[bobbyw8469]

If you call closure going to court and getting lawyers involved, then yes, I guess that is closure. I think it will take as long as the Yankees jacket owner took in court however.

[bender07]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

If you call closure going to court and getting lawyers involved, then yes, I guess that is closure. I think it will take as long as the Yankees jacket owner took in court however.

I didn't see that they were going to court, that's unacceptable for sure.

[jimjim]

No way. This website is better than that. Have you seen their pricing structure and discounts? They mark up the price then give you a 10% off code. Pitiful. They are a company for the casual collector or somebody desperately wanting that Mo or Jeter autograph. Not for us!

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I consider their kind of created collectible to embody all that is wrong with collecting, specifically how it has gone from an almost scholarly pursuit to a simplistic quest for the bux. Collecting for me has always been as much about the history and context as the item. Manufactured collectibles lack both. I have about as much regard for their items as for the ones I "create" every morning; both are crap.

Love that last line .

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by jimjim

No way. This website is better than that. Have you seen their pricing structure and discounts? They mark up the price then give you a 10% off code. Pitiful. They are a company for the casual collector or somebody desperately wanting that Mo or Jeter autograph. Not for us!

+1

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Runscott

'The Derek Jeter Final Journey Collection'

Maybe someone can create a registry for that .

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Yes but they are also entitled to MY opinion.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

I consider their kind of created collectible to embody all that is wrong with collecting, specifically how it has gone from an almost scholarly pursuit to a simplistic quest for the bux. Collecting for me has always been as much about the history and context as the item. Manufactured collectibles lack both. I have about as much regard for their items as for the ones I "create" every morning; both are crap.

Adam, you hit the nail on the head! Even tho my collection is basically 1950-2000 (ie. not pre-war), I am "all about" the history. Even within those somewhat recent 50 years, there are many mysteries to be solved when it comes to the origins and lineage of items. This Steiner stuff is total crap. If you want a Jeter autograph.....stalk the dude!

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by bender07

So they don't cater to the right type of collectors based on our standards, so they're not worth doing business with?

I don't like the new shiny baseball cards but that doesn't mean those who currently collect it won't, one day, want to collect what we deem as the acceptable stuff?

I get where you're going with that...BUT it's wrong. This stuff isn't opening doors for people to enter the legitimate collecting world. If anything it's hindering it. Bad experiences go a long way. Say one of these people thought about collecting on a more than just casual basis, the first thing they're gonna go do, is see how their "investment"(or in this case manufactured collectible) is doing value-wise. They're gonna see that the thing is worth half of what they paid, and they're not even gonna bother.

It's the same effect that the 80s and 90s have had on the hobby. EVERYONE lost money. It's typical for many to lose interest in their teens, and eventually come back to the hobby. Hell, it's why most of us are here. BUT for the casual guy, looking to feel it out, the second he sees that his '89 UD Griffey that was once over a hundred bucks, barely gets $15. Or that '85 McGwire Topps that he mowed lawns for a summer to buy for over $300(at one point) can be had for less than $10, sometimes $5. Or his $100+ '86 donruss Canseco, that he begged and pleaded to be his big Christmas gift as a child, often sells for less than $5, he's out..

Now on the flip side, my childhood collection wasn't all that great. Sure I liked the rookies, but most of my collection is what I got in packs.. I never had the big $ items. The chance to relive my childhood and get those once expensive cards for pennies on the dollar, is what drew me back in.. And then my collecting took a natural course to spending with reckless abandon again. But it's all in good fun, so who cares.

Now back to a Jeter auto. A kid or guy who gets one in person at a game, that's the guy that's may join the hobby. He sees that this awesome moment in his life, and cherished collectible from it, has some value. That's the guy that will continue to cherish it, and look to amass more items to cherish.. Not the guy who feels like he got ripped off..

This manufactured crap, not only ruins the experience for people over the long haul. BUT the contracts that the players sign for the exclusive rights to their autographs, often lead to players not signing. Thus removing and/or limiting the possibility of these cherished moments for young and/or inexperienced fans, that may ultimately lead them into the hobby.

As a kid, I could go to any game, and pretty much get just about any signature I wanted. Everyone signed, and it was always a memorable experience getting to meet your favorite players.. No matter how big and popular they were. Nowadays, forget about it. Kids these days have been robbed of these passing moments with their heroes.. And to an extent Steiner and others like them have stolen these opportunities from this and future generations..

[parker1b2]

Originally Posted by novakjr

I get where you're going with that...BUT it's wrong. This stuff isn't opening doors for people to enter the legitimate collecting world. If anything it's hindering it. Bad experiences go a long way. Say one of these people thought about collecting on a more than just casual basis, the first thing they're gonna go do, is see how their "investment"(or in this case manufactured collectible) is doing value-wise. They're gonna see that the thing is worth half of what they paid, and they're not even gonna bother.

It's the same effect that the 80s and 90s have had on the hobby. EVERYONE lost money. It's typical for many to lose interest in their teens, and eventually come back to the hobby. Hell, it's why most of us are here. BUT for the casual guy, looking to feel it out, the second he sees that his '89 UD Griffey that was once over a hundred bucks, barely gets $15. Or that '85 McGwire Topps that he mowed lawns for a summer to buy for over $300(at one point) can be had for less than $10, sometimes $5. Or his $100+ '86 donruss Canseco, that he begged and pleaded to be his big Christmas gift as a child, often sells for less than $5, he's out..

Now on the flip side, my childhood collection wasn't all that great. Sure I liked the rookies, but most of my collection is what I got in packs.. I never had the big $ items. The chance to relive my childhood and get those once expensive cards for pennies on the dollar, is what drew me back in.. And then my collecting took a natural course to spending with reckless abandon again. But it's all in good fun, so who cares.

Now back to a Jeter auto. A kid or guy who gets one in person at a game, that's the guy that's may join the hobby. He sees that this awesome moment in his life, and cherished collectible from it, has some value. That's the guy that will continue to cherish it, and look to amass more items to cherish.. Not the guy who feels like he got ripped off..

This manufactured crap, not only ruins the experience for people over the long haul. BUT the contracts that the players sign for the exclusive rights to their autographs, often lead to players not signing. Thus removing and/or limiting the possibility of these cherished moments for young and/or inexperienced fans, that may ultimately lead them into the hobby.

As a kid, I could go to any game, and pretty much get just about any signature I wanted. Everyone signed, and it was always a memorable experience getting to meet your favorite players.. No matter how big and popular they were. Nowadays, forget about it. Kids these days have been robbed of these passing moments with their heroes.. And to an extent Steiner and others like them have stolen these opportunities from this and future generations..

+100.... I was one of those kids in the 80s and 90s who's childhood cards are not worth anything. Luckily I started to trade my cards in the early 90s to my friends for their autographs, and never really stopped collecting since. I can say that those friends who I went to shows with, stood in line forever to get autos, and hawked players at games for autos are no longer collecting and stopped pretty much in High School.

[Gary Dunaier]

Originally Posted by novakjr

This manufactured crap, not only ruins the experience for people over the long haul. BUT the contracts that the players sign for the exclusive rights to their autographs, often lead to players not signing. Thus removing and/or limiting the possibility of these cherished moments for young and/or inexperienced fans, that may ultimately lead them into the hobby.

As a kid, I could go to any game, and pretty much get just about any signature I wanted. Everyone signed, and it was always a memorable experience getting to meet your favorite players.. No matter how big and popular they were. Nowadays, forget about it. Kids these days have been robbed of these passing moments with their heroes.. And to an extent Steiner and others like them have stolen these opportunities from this and future generations..

It's not just that. The new ballparks seem to be designed in a way intended to minimize actual fan-ballplayer contact. For example, at Citi Field, the player's entrance is fenced off, and for those players who do choose to sign after the game, the height of the fence around the players' parking lot prevents fans from having a real "I got to meet a ballplayer" experience - Eric Young, Jr. as shown in the photo below, but it applies to all players...


(Photo taken September 29, 2013. © Gary Dunaier. Link to upload on Flickr.com: here.)

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by novakjr

Now back to a Jeter auto. A kid or guy who gets one in person at a game, that's the guy that's may join the hobby. He sees that this awesome moment in his life, and cherished collectible from it, has some value. That's the guy that will continue to cherish it, and look to amass more items to cherish.. Not the guy who feels like he got ripped off..

This manufactured crap, not only ruins the experience for people over the long haul. BUT the contracts that the players sign for the exclusive rights to their autographs, often lead to players not signing. Thus removing and/or limiting the possibility of these cherished moments for young and/or inexperienced fans, that may ultimately lead them into the hobby.

As a kid, I could go to any game, and pretty much get just about any signature I wanted. Everyone signed, and it was always a memorable experience getting to meet your favorite players.. No matter how big and popular they were. Nowadays, forget about it. Kids these days have been robbed of these passing moments with their heroes.. And to an extent Steiner and others like them have stolen these opportunities from this and future generations..

Spot on.