Wagner cards more common than the T206 Wagner

[brianp-beme]

I thought I would get various opinions on Wagner cards (from his playing days) that are more common than the T206 Wagner. I thought would approach the subject this way because I personally believe there are more vintage Wagner cards that are rarer than the T206 Wagner than there are more common. Here are some that come readily to mind, and would like to see what others have to add to this list or disagree with those selected.

Updated listing below


More Common:

1913 Barker Game
1909/11 Colgans E254
1915 Cracker Jack
1909/11 E90-1 batting
1909/11 E90-1 throwing
1910 E91-C
1909 E92 batting
1909 E92 throwing
1910 E93
E94
1909 E95
1910 E98
1906 Fan Craze NL
1910/11 M116 blue
1910/11 M116 pastel
1913 National Game
1914 Polo Grounds Game


Around the same as the T206 Wagner:

1914 Cracker Jack
D304
D322 Tip-top
E90-2
E101 batting
E101 throwing
E102 batting


Less than the T206 (should be plenty of more issues in this grouping...let us know):

All Star Baseball
Baseball Bats
D381 Fleischman/Ferguson Bakery
E102 fielding
E103
E107
E135 Collins McCarthy
E270 Tin Tops
M101-4 (all backs)
M101-5 (all backs)
M131 Baltimore Newsboy
Orange Border batting
Orange Border portrait
T216 Kotton, Mino and Virginia Extra (all variations)
Texas Tommy type 1 and 2
Voskamps
Postcards: Rose Co, American League Pub, Novelty Cutlery, Vignette

Heck if I know:

BF2 Pennants
M101-2
M101-2 w/Cobb


Brian (updated list on post # 69)

[familytoad]

Fan Craze
E90-1

I 'll just do two, I think there are several more pretty easy ones...

[tiger8mush]

M101-2 Sporting News Supplement

I don't see many of his E145 CJs available but not sure if they are more common?

[brianp-beme]

I will add the E90-1 American Caramel and the Fan Craze to the list. I have to admit I know little to nothing about suppliment issues such as the M101-2, so would like to hear a confirming vote from another member on this one. And it would be interesting to hear what people think about the Cracker Jacks...I think they would qualify.

Thanks for the input...and keep it coming.

Brian

[rhettyeakley]

Here are some of his more common pre-WW2 items, some may be pretty close but all are potentially around the same as the T206 or more plentiful...

• 1913 Barker Game
• 1916 BF2 Pennants
• 1939 Centennial Stamps 24
• 1909/11 Colgans (E254)
• 1914 Cracker Jack 68
• 1915 Cracker Jack 68
• 1909/11 E90-1 batting
• 1909/11 E90-1 throwing
• 1910 E90-2
• 1910 E91-C
• 1909 E92 batting
• 1909 E92 throwing
• 1910 E93
• 1911 E94
• 1909 E95
• 1910 E98
• 1909 E101 batting
• 1909 E101 throwing
• 1909 E102 batting
• 1909 E102 throwing
• 1917 E135 180
• 1906 Fan Craze NL
• 1909/13 M101-2
• 1909/13 M101-2 w/cobb
• 1916 M101-4 182
• 1916 M101-5 184
• 1910/11 M116 blue
• 1910/11 M116 pastel
• 1921 Mrs. Sherlock’s Pins (maybe)
• 1913 National Game
• 1940 Play Ball 168
• 1914 Polo Grounds Game
• 1936 R311 Leather w/vaughan
• 1936 R312 w/vaughan
• 1936 R313

Two more posssibilities:
-1910 Tip-Top Bread (D322)
-D304
(I tend to think these aren't as rare as some think)

[brianp-beme]

Thanks Rhett...I think a lot of these Wagner issues are more common than his T206 Wagner. Of course this is all educated guesswork on our parts, but I think we can probably get a pretty accurate picture of how the T206 Wagner 'ranks' in scarcity versus his other cards.

From Rhett's list I have taken the liberty to eliminate any issues after his playing career (post 1917). Also I have grouped them into different availability categories. The first category are ones that I think are more readily available than the T206. The second group are cards that are right around the same amount (maybe a little more, maybe a little less), and the third is a list in its infacy of Wagner issues that are almost positively more scarce than his T206. The fourth category consists of issues that I have no real knowledge about, and with your responses can help dictate which other group they belong.

Let me know what you think of my groupings...I promise not to get grumpy if your opinions differ from mine.


More Common:

1913 Barker Game
1909/11 Colgans E254
1915 Cracker Jack
1909/11 E90-1 batting
1909/11 E90-1 throwing
1910 E91-C
1909 E92 batting
1909 E92 throwing
1910 E93
E94
1909 E95
1910 E98
1906 Fan Craze NL
1916 M101-4
1916 M101-5
1910/11 M116 blue
1910/11 M116 pastel
1913 National Game
1914 Polo Grounds Game


Around the same as the T206 Wagner:

1914 Cracker Jack
D304
D322 Tip-top
E90-2
E101 batting
E101 throwing
E102 throwing


Less than the T206 (should be plenty of more issues in this grouping...let us know):

All Star Baseball
Baseball Bats
D381 Fleischman/Ferguson Bakery
E102 batting
E103
E107
E135 Collins McCarthy
E270 Tin Tops
M131 Baltimore Newsboy
Orange Border batting
Orange Border portrait
T216 Kotton, Mino and Virginia Extra (all variations)


Heck if I know:

BF2 Pennants
M101-2
M101-2 w/Cobb


Brian

[esd10]

E125 American caramel is pretty rare

[RCMcKenzie]

I believe I read on t206resource that there are an estimated 60-100 t206 Wagners.
From the SGC and PSA pop reports: there are about 80 e254 Wagners and 80 e92 Dockman Wagner batting. Of course, there are a number that are ungraded from these two issues.

[puckpaul]

M101-1 Sporting News is rarer and the National Copper Plate even rarer than that, perhaps ten or so of the first and maybe just five or so NCP? NCP is the real rookie appearance (1898). one of my favorite cards!

Paul

[Aaron Seefeldt]

Don't forget the d303 Mother's Bread. Much much scarcer than t206

[familytoad]

....so what do you guys have?

This is a fun list to read, now let's have a little fun inventorying.

I have :
E95 Philadelphia Caramel Wagner
E98 (light blue) Wagner
E105 Mello Mint (batting) Wagner

Who else wants to share?

[Bliggity]

Originally Posted by Aaron Seefeldt

Don't forget the d303 Mother's Bread. Much much scarcer than t206

And D303 General, both poses.

ETA total pop on General Baking is 4 of each pose. I don't see any graded Mother's Bread. Has anyone ever seen one?

I suppose D355 is theoretical also.

ETA again: I see some prior D303-2 Wagner auctions, so the pop reports must not do a very good job of distinguishing between them. Stop probably 4 of each pose total between D303-1 and -2.

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by puckpaul

M101-1 Sporting News is rarer and the National Copper Plate even rarer than that, perhaps ten or so of the first and maybe just five or so NCP? NCP is the real rookie appearance (1898). one of my favorite cards!

Paul

I liked this article on the NCP issues:
http://www.sportscollectorsdigest.co...ate_portraits/

[puckpaul]

The descriptions on the back make the copper plates so great. Is there another issue where you get rookie cards or unique cards, and substantial descriptions on the back of what the players and times were like? Amazing issues.