Bob Gibson Underated

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Originally Posted by drc

I think Gibson's cards are correctly valued compared to his talent. His prices are about the same as Steve Carleton's, who I'd rate as a superior pitcher. Maris' are an aberration due to the 61 hrs and being a Yankee.

Carlton superior? If your only qualification is longevity, than I can't disagree (Carlton played 7 more seasons). If you only take in 162 game averages Gibson edges Carlton out.

If you look at just the years 67-71 when they both pitched for STL with at least 25 Game Starts Gibson is superior. This time range would show how they bitch against (and hit) against the same people.

67-71 stats:
Gibson Pitching Starts-158, ERA-2.49, W-L% - .657, SO 1143, CG-89, Hits/9innings 7.34

Carlton Pitching Starts-161, ERA - 3.09, W-L% - .556, SO 905, CG - 64, Hits/9innings - 8.2

Gibson Batting Avg. - .205, OBP .256

Carlton Batting Avg. - .181, OBP .210

If you compare their Best Season:

1968 Gibson Pitching
Starts - 34, W-22 L-9, CG -28, ERA - 1.12, SHO -13, SO 268, Hits/9innings - 5.8

1972 Carlton Pitching
Starts - 41, W-27 L-10, CG - 30, ERA - 1.97, SHO -8, SO 310, Hits/9innings - 6.7


I really can't say that Carlton is Superior and depending on what your criteria is, it is really easy to say Gibson is Superior. In the end when you take longevity into account I think they are very comparable.