Just a Little Concerned About This.....

[Clutch-Hitter]

Received a message from sleeveless today:

Dear remembering_ruth,

I am attempting to cancel our transaction. I apologize for using a pic of another card that was exactly like the card I sold. I have a buyer for the card so please send me the same card in the same screwdown container. I am new to eBay and in no way was trying to be misleading. I sent you an authentic Goudy card. I did not know that the container would effect the card's authenticity. It doesn't seem to matter to my new buyer. Please let me know asap so we can resolve this issue and I can maintain my perfect eBay seller rating. Thank you

- mroserestoration2012

Having to pay for return shipping doesn't seem right at all. If I did, and because he still has an ebay account, that would confirm that there are no consequences for blatant scams on ebay. Besides, I definitely don't believe he'd refund my money either way unless forced to do so. I have until May 8 to agree to cancel, which seems like a second layer of scam.

[thecatspajamas]

Greg,
You should NOT agree to the cancellation request he sent. Certainly not before getting your money back. All that agreeing to the cancellation will do is allow eBay to refund the commission fees back to him. Personally, I would deny the cancellation request to be sure he gets stuck with the fees for his fraudulent transaction (technically, you'd be saying you still want to get what you paid for, which he obviously can't provide). Work with Paypal (or Paypal / Bill Me Later in this case) to get your money back. It's a sloooow process, but they are the ones with their fingers in his bank account and are far more likely to get your money back than this kid who was running a scam from the start.

If Paypal/eBay asks you to return the card to him for a refund, make sure you use tracking for the return so that you can prove when it was returned to him. If you told them it was a counterfeit card, they may not even require you to return it. Just know that on the other end of the claim, Paypal will have already frozen the funds associated with the transaction in this kid's account.

If he's trying to get you to cancel the transaction now and send the card back to him, it's only so that he can take advantage of another trusting bidder. You don't have to be in a hurry just because he is. If it's a long, painful process to get your money back through Paypal, might as well make him suffer along with you.

[buymycards]

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/

I'm not sure how involved the inspectors are in regard to eBay cases, but I would think they would be interested in this.

Rick

[Clutch-Hitter]

Lance,
I declined the cancellation and spoke to Paypal. The rep I spoke to echoed what you said, stating it is a lengthy process, and I will not have to spend my money returning a card that carries no value. She said a counterfeit and a reprint are one and the same. Thank you for the information.

Rick,

I'm in the process of checking into that. Thank you

[Clutch-Hitter]

Wanted to update y'all on this:

1. I have not been refunded

2. I receive periodic emails from Paypal ordering me to upload tracking showing that I mailed the counterfeit back. I don't even know the guy's address; the package did not have an address, just the name Rose. His Paypal has account name "Rose's." I should not have to spend my money sending this garbage back and Paypal agrees on the phone. The latest email said I have until the 21st to upload tracking or the case will be closed.

3. When I received the first few emails, I called and spoke to Paypal. They said not to worry about it, that Paypal does not require people to mail back counterfeits, etc. I found out the employee my wife spoke to at the beginning did not write down the information she provided because it was not in the case file. I found out during my second call to them, which was several weeks after, that Paypal had not opened a counterfeit case.

4. I made a note of the date and time of my most recent phone conversations.

5. I have no idea what's going on with them and have been led to believe that I should believe what they tell me.

[slidekellyslide]

The people answering phones at Paypal are probably paid minimum wage and don't keep the job long because of the abuse they take daily. It's not surprising that you're getting the runaround from them. Good luck..hopefully someone there actually cares that you got ripped off.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Thanks Dan,

My wife just spoke to a Paypal rep. He said tracking has to be provided today or else...

So the evidence is being returned for the next buyer ...

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by Clutch-Hitter

I receive periodic emails from Paypal ordering me to upload tracking showing that I mailed the counterfeit back. I don't even know the guy's address; the package did not have an address, just the name Rose. His Paypal has account name "Rose's." I should not have to spend my money sending this garbage back and Paypal agrees on the phone. The latest email said I have until the 21st to upload tracking or the case will be closed.

Greg,

How did Paypal respond with where to ship if you nor they have an address on file?

What did they say when you asked how do you give a tracking number to an address you don't know?

Just curious.

r/
Frank

[Clutch-Hitter]

They told my wife that a message he sent included his address and verbally gave that address to her. I checked my messages and did not find one but it may have been an email that I moved to a folder and do not have access to. I do not know his first name and was just told first hand by Paypal that his first name was none of my business, only his account, Rose's, is my business.

My wife spoke to them several times this morning and gave them permission to speak to me lastly. The last person she spoke to said the guy basically committed a felony, which is why it took so long. I would have asked why they forced me to send evidence to a felon.

I spoke to a lady who said
- once the post office delivers it, I should get refunded
- I asked, what if they lose it, to which she said I would have to claim it with the post office, would be their fault
- I said even if, the seller is at fault, not me or the post office.
- She said his account may be monitored, to which I asked why he was allowed to sell? She said there had to be several accusations. , and I said that is why it's everywhere on ebay.

1. Stole the image for the listing
2. Advertised professionally authenticated item
3. Sent card in screw down
4. Sent reprint/counterfeit
5. No return address or first name
6. His web site bears all...

Felonbay

[Wite3]

Just FYI,
Hemet Sheriff might be able to help...

951-776-1099
800-950-2444

He should be reported just for his different scams if nothing else and might already be on their radar.

Joshua