You just wont believe it!

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Al, as a non-autograph collector myself I tend to agree there is too much here on the memorabilia board, but I in no way want to ban autograph discussions from this section because they do IMO fall under memorabilia...it's up to the non-auto collectors to fight back by starting new and interesting threads to push the auto guys down to the bottom.

I've had many of the non-auto collectors PM or email me about this issue, and this is the same reply I give to them. Unfortunately some of them have chosen to leave or lurk only.

Hi Dan,
Just wanted to clear up something I never said Ban it. It doesnt say that anywhere it the post. All I said was if you want to continue to talk about this issue take it over to the water cooler side of the forum then you all can beat each other to death over there and no one would care.

Scott F.
At least when I open my mouth I try and say something "Creative" Then to open my mouth and have flies come out! Yah Know.

[Leon]

Lest we forget we have lots of newbies who have been saved by these threads in which "everyone already knows".

[batsballsbases]

Leon,
You are right but I cant stand when "newbies" come on and ask is this autograph good? Does this look real? Isnt that what Richard and others get paid for? And I dont blame them for not answering back. But then all the "experts" come out of the woodwork offering up thier opinion on it. So now lets say the person goes and buys it based off of what is said here,and the item turns out BAD. Are any of these " experts" going to give this poor guy his money back? Based on thier opinion! I think not. And that is why it can be dangerous to look at an item for 2 minutes and give an opinion. Look at poor Dave and the Babe Ruth Ball had it for over 10 years to now come and find out that it isnt worth a hill of spit! And Dave my friend arnt you suppose to be one of those experts. And Im not saying that in the wrong way Im saying even the best can be taken it. Have been and will continue to be.

[David Atkatz]

I don't want to call myself an "expert." Let's just say I have a lot of experience. (Obtained my first Ruth autograph in 1965, my first Gehrig in '66. Here they are--and they are both good.


)

Was I fooled by that '27 ball? Yes I was. So was Jimmy Spence. So were two top collectors and a dealer who wanted to buy it from me. Everyone makes mistakes.

But if one sells his "expertise," one should be held accountable.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

I don't want to call myself an "expert." Let's just say I have a lot of experience. (Obtained my first Ruth autograph in 1965, my first Gehrig in '66. Here they are--and they are both good.


)

Was I fooled by that '27 ball? Yes I was. So was Jimmy Spence. So were two top collectors and a dealer who wanted to buy it from me. Everyone makes mistakes.

But if one sells his "expertise," one should be held accountable.

David,
That is exactly what I was trying to say. And believe me I know you have great knowledge when it comes to yankee items. I always said your collection is second to none when it comes to this. You said it yourself you were fooled,spence was fooled , lets say some of the best were fooled so what chance do some of the novice collectors have when even the best get fooled! But your last line is the best If someone sells his "Expertise" one should be held accountable. Absolutely right but sad fact watch all the experts run for cover when they have to open up thier wallets! Did any of the experts offer you your money back? I rest my case!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by batsballsbases

Leon,
You are right but I cant stand when "newbies" come on and ask is this autograph good? Does this look real? Isnt that what Richard and others get paid for? And I dont blame them for not answering back. But then all the "experts" come out of the woodwork offering up thier opinion on it. So now lets say the person goes and buys it based off of what is said here,and the item turns out BAD. Are any of these " experts" going to give this poor guy his money back? Based on thier opinion! I think not. And that is why it can be dangerous to look at an item for 2 minutes and give an opinion. Look at poor Dave and the Babe Ruth Ball had it for over 10 years to now come and find out that it isnt worth a hill of spit! And Dave my friend arnt you suppose to be one of those experts. And Im not saying that in the wrong way Im saying even the best can be taken it. Have been and will continue to be.

Man, we're just discussing stuff. This is a discussion forum. If the professional authenticators don't want to chime in, there's not much for the rest of us to do except exchange our own insights regarding items that we want to discuss. If you don't like it, go start a thread for yourself and the other pin-heads. And no one has declared themselves an "expert" - you're the one tossing that word around.

It's Saturday - go have a beer and chill out.

[mjkm90]

Originally Posted by Leon

Lest we forget we have lots of newbies who have been saved by these threads in which "everyone already knows".

Leon, Leon, Leon...you are better than that fella! Don't let this turn into Angies List. All of this could be rectified with the addition of the forgery alert section. That way the newbies can EASILY find what they need and will be protected. Don't make it hard on them and punish the rest of us.

I have confidence in you Leon...you ARE the man who can get this done

[GKreindler]

All other things considered, David, I still LOVE that Gehrig photo. What a fun painting that would make.

You've got a winner!

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by GKreindler

All other things considered, David, I still LOVE that Gehrig photo. What a fun painting that would make.

You've got a winner!

Thanks, Graig. How backed up are you? If I put in my order now, and start saving, perhaps I'll be able to pay you by the time you get to it.

[HRBAKER]

But if one sells his "expertise," one should be held accountable.

Amen and amen. +100

[Leon]

Originally Posted by mjkm90

Leon, Leon, Leon...you are better than that fella! Don't let this turn into Angies List. All of this could be rectified with the addition of the forgery alert section. That way the newbies can EASILY find what they need and will be protected. Don't make it hard on them and punish the rest of us.

I have confidence in you Leon...you ARE the man who can get this done

I have thought about all different kinds of scenarios for different sub-forums. Until this front page gets overrun, or any other forums where there are too many threads do, I don't see it happening. I have given it thought but just don't think it's that bad yet or see an overwhelming need. As an overriding rule of thumb I don't like splitting up sections/forums too much. I will always listen to thoughts though....

[GKreindler]

Hey David,

I think as of now, I'm about 2 to 2 1/2 years out? I look at the to-do list on my wall, and it seems to be a bit shorter than I thought. Dean might know better than me, though, as he always has something sinister brewing. Well, not sinister, but intense.

Graig

[mjkm90]

Originally Posted by Leon

I have thought about all different kinds of scenarios for different sub-forums. Until this front page gets overrun, or any other forums where there are too many threads, I don't see it happening. I have given it thought but just don't think it's that bad yet or see an overwhelming need. As an overriding rule of thumb I don't like splitting up sections/forums too much. I will always listen to thoughts though....

I appreciate your eagerness to listen Leon. Nuf Ced...for now

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by batsballsbases

Hi Dan,
Just wanted to clear up something I never said Ban it. It doesnt say that anywhere it the post. All I said was if you want to continue to talk about this issue take it over to the water cooler side of the forum then you all can beat each other to death over there and no one would care.

Scott F.
At least when I open my mouth I try and say something "Creative" Then to open my mouth and have flies come out! Yah Know.

Al, I would put your original thread in the "flies" category, as well as this one. But you have posted some interesting pin stuff.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Al, I would put your original thread in the "flies" category, as well as this one. But you have posted some interesting pin stuff.

Scott,
Why dont you take you holier than thou attitude and glory monger I need to get in the last word and stick it where the sun dont shine you assh0l@@.
Everyone knows what you are but I guess your the only one who is clueless.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by batsballsbases

Scott,
Why dont you take you holier than thou attitude and glory monger I need to get in the last word and stick it where the sun dont shine you assh0l@@.
Everyone knows what you are but I guess your the only one who is clueless.

You came in and started a thread taking a shot at some of us, and you expect us to just lay back and take it? If you had the ability to carry on a discussion without being foul-mouthed, I might be willing to keep playing with you. Go back to your pins, I have no further use for you.

[batsballsbases]

Scott,
As I have had no use for you ever since you proclaimed yourself T206 god. Go back to your little website and you can put your name on it like you do and blow your horn that your the best! What a sad sack of crap you must be. Go back to the card site where you think you know it all and talk your crap over there. Have no use for you what a joke! Come on now get in the last word you know you have to .

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by batsballsbases

Scott,
As I have had no use for you ever since you porclaimed yourself T206 god. Go back to your little website and you can put your name on it like you do and blow your horn that your the best! What a sad sack of crap you must be. Go back to the card site where you think you know it all and talk your crap over there. Have no use for you what a joke! Come on now get in the last work you know you have to .

Here, this might help: Possible solution for Al's problem

[smotan_02]

This is pretty sad. This forum was suppose to be the gentleman's forum over the bar room brawls that happen in the Collector's Universe Forum.

[batsballsbases]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Here, this might help: Possible solution for Al's problem

Scott,
To bad your such an dic@ and you know what they say when one (Girl) I mean man has to talk about another mans organ! Well I guess we have to get out the magnifying glass to see yours. Oh and by the way if your refering to yourself as one of the experts the only expert you are is being a dic@.