T206Resource.com - a new T206 site

[Abravefan11]

Hi Barry - That's a great idea and something I'm sure we'll consider. Ultimately if there is any information about the set, including information about the photos, we would like to provide as much as possible for those that may be interested. At this early stage in gathering and loading the photos, we have only included the images themselves.

There are many collectors and researches that have a greater focus on one aspect of the set than most. As they continue to contribute their knowledge to the site we will be able to expand the amount of detail about each topic.

Thank you for the suggestion.

[rp12367]

I worked a double today and had a few hours of down time this evening. Spent quite awhile looking at the site. Really nice job, great info, easy to navigate. Congrats on a job (labor of love) well done. Ralph

[Jantz]

Hi Tim

Henry Yee sold this photo last week on Ebay. I agree with Barry, it would be nice if you could add the specs to the photos someday. Nice website!

Clark Griffith Carl Horner c.1903

Jantz

[FrankWakefield]

First and foremost, you guys have done well putting together that site. Many collectors, in years to come, will benefit from that. Thank you.

In looking in the "About Us" section, I see a list of Senior Contributors and another list of Contributors. I looked through there to see if Ted Zanidakis was listed. He's not. And I can envision that he didn't actually contribute to the site. But certainly the site has benefited from, and realistically has used material that should be attributed to Ted, to Scot Reader, to Barry Arnold, and to Lew Lipset, just to name a few. Those guys did some great work on ferreting out the nuances of the white border tobacco cards. And their efforts and work product that was so graciously shared with collectors deserves recognition. Maybe an additional section should be added to the "About Us" section that was styled Acknowledgements, or something like that.

Please consider that.

And thanks again.

[Abravefan11]

Frank - Thanks for your comments.

First let me say, the information on the site concerning the composition of the set, checklists and other research, is the work of the people listed on the About Us page.

The group of us working on the site have great respect for Richard Egan, Lew Lipset, Bill Hietman and many others that have advanced the hobbies knowledge of the T206 set. We have talked about adding a section on the website devoted to just this topic, but it just hasn't happened yet. There is a lot of content people would like to see on the site and we're working all the time to add new material to cover as much possible, but it's going to take time. We are listening and appreciate the feedback.

The "About Us" page is specific to T206Resource.com. When we began the project this page was created because we didn't want there to be any question who was putting out the information. As more content was added, and people began sharing their information and collections, we thought it would be a nice way to say thank you for their contributions to the site. In a few rare instances within the site itself we mention contributors by name, otherwise everyone receives the same acknowledgment whether they share a little or a lot. We believe that this shows the community nature of the site and how when collectors work together it can benefit us all.

We appreciate all of the hard work by those that have come before us, and look forward to the work ahead.

Again thank you Frank and everyone else for your comments.

[FrankWakefield]

Hey Tim.

I see you added Bill Heitman and Richard Egan to the names I mentioned. I agree with their inclusion in some Acknowledgements section. I overlooked them; as I did Jamie Hull and Bill Brown. There are others. And while these guys didn't "contribute" to T206resource, nonetheless their work created a body of information that was a major starting point for you guys. Golly, how many of us have wondered about how much money Scot Reader would have made if he'd sold that great tome of his, rather than throw it out there free. (Thanks, again, Scot!!) My thinking is that some 21st century collector will find that fine site, realize how great it is, and have no idea of those that went before.

Thanks.

Wish all of you safe Holidays.

Frank

[Abravefan11]

Frank,

Bill and Scot both, albeit small, have mentions within the text of the site already. Like I said before we will be chronicling more of the history of the sets researchers as time goes on but it's going to take time to get everything on the site.

We want to cover publications which will include many of the names already mentioned as well as Mark Peavy and others. Rather than just have a list of random names we want to discuss their contributions in some detail.

I know this may not be evident on the surface but none of the previous great work on the sets composition was the bases for ours. We didn't use anyone elses findings as a starting point. We went back to the beginning, cleaned the slate completely, and started with just the confirmed cards and the sets documentation and took a fresh look. This is what allowed us to see the set in a completely new way.

Frank, I appreciate your concern about the recognition of, and respect for, the pioneers of this great set and I assure you they will get their proper due on the site in time.

Have a safe and happy holiday as well.

Tim

[tedzan]

PLAGIARISM..........
The act of "stealing" a person's hard work and intellectual property, without accrediting this person.

There are many more members of Net54 that you have advertently dismissed, who have contributed their time, effort and expertise over
the past 8 years (or more) on this forum. You can continue to deny that you have not gleaned information from them to form your new
site....but Tim, that "dog does not hunt"....anymore.

There is Scot Reader, Bill Brown, Barry Sloate, Barry Arnold, Frank Wakefield, Jamie Hull, Dan Koochin, Darren Duet, Drew Apoldite, Judson
Hamlin, Jeremy Jones (and more). All of whom, not only have posted meaningful & worthwhile information regarding T206's; but also, other
White-Bordered cards.

Special recognition goes to Scot Reader. For you to exclude Scot's "Inside T206" in the "ARTICLES" section of your site is a really egregious
omission that tells us a lot about where you are coming from.


Furthermore
You claim that your data is yours (and your group's)......however, in your SOVEREIGN 350 checklist you indicate that Downey (fielding) is a
confirmed SOVEREIGN 350 card. Well, when I posted my "FYI....SOVEREIGN" thread, I had inadvertently omitted this subject in my NO-PRINT
list (it has since been added to my NO-PRINT list).

Now tell me....anyone here on Net54....what is the probability of Tim independently replicating this same mistake ?

Virtually impossible......unless Tim (or one of his group) copied my information on these SOVEREIGN 350 cards ? ?


I am continuing to review your checklists. I have found some more errors. You asked for inputs. I have already reported 2 of these errors
to you in an earlier post in this thread. You chose not to respond and that says a lot for your attitude regarding some of us Net54er's.
Who, apparently, you feel that you are "competing" with since you joined this forum (not that many years ago)..


So, right here I am offering.....$100 each.....to any one who can produce these two SOVEREIGN 350 cards that you list as confirmed......

Bresnahan (batting)

Downey (fielding)


TED Z

[ethicsprof]

Please accept the following comments in the spirit of collegiality that is intended. As one who has spent his life in the academic world, I do think that it is a mistake to omit those who have been part of the history of research before your distinguished offerings. I recognize that effort has been made in this direction but needs further work. As you well know, I'm sure, there is a never a blank slate in pure scholarship---the highest accomplishments never arise in vacuo--- so that acknowledging those who have been important to the debate(even those with whom you may have disagreed or parted ways with for critical reasons) is a must. This should always be done as assiduously and comprehensively as possible to match the breadth and depth of what you're now offering as a scholarly contribution.
I used the word 'erudition' to describe your work in an earlier post because I
believe it is scholarly and academic. I do think the omission of key contributors in the history of research, as explicated above, should be revisited and further elucidated.
Again, I do appreciate your erudite gifts to the the field of T206 scholarship
and hope that my discussion is helpful.
all the best,
Barry

[wonkaticket]

PLAGIARISM?

Ted, no disrespect but you have taken information shared with you from folks including me and posted it here as your own or with no mention of sources short of a select few folks for years. I would be careful dropping the plagiarism bomb…people in glass houses you know.

I’m also not going to get into heated debate with you on this either. But if you look back I’m sure you can think of times when you have used someone’s nugget of info when typing out your threads without taking time to mention or call credit to that person for the piece of info re shared.

I think we all can a be a bit guilty of that after all it’s a hobby in which much of the knowledge is word of mouth vs. written.

As for prints and no-prints within Sovereign I’ll let you Tim & Jim hash that out.

John

P.S. To the rest of the guys Barry, Frank, Ted etc. these guys spent a lot of time on this so in the 11th hour begin busting chops on some names you feel they need to add is silly IMO. In the end it's their site they could have as easily listed no names like Chans site. I'm also not taking this stance because my name is listed Tim & Jim can drop my name I could care less still a good site. All I care about is collecting cards having fun and no scammers.

[danmckee]

So.. How's the weather? It is raining here in Baltimore.

[atx840]

Originally Posted by tedzan

PLAGIARISM..........
So, right here I am offering.....$100 each.....to any one who can produce these two SOVEREIGN 350 cards that you list as confirmed......
TED Z

Do fake scans count? I kid, I kid. Happy Holidays everyone!

Here is a xmas tree made out of backs.