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12-04-2011, 10:18 AM
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Ruth's granddaughter aside, I respect the opinion of Ron Keurajian, over the alphabet soup guys, every day of the week.
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12-04-2011, 12:39 PM
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"who knew Babe Ruth's granddaughter was an expert on Babe Ruth autographs?"
I guess if psa or jsa aren't, someone has to be. I would go with Ron too, the guy has the pulse on Ruth auto's. Last edited by travrosty; 12-04-2011 at 12:42 PM.
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12-04-2011, 04:17 PM
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If Peter Nash and his investigation conclusively prove that PSA and JSA have make these mistakes what does that mean for the autograph hobby?
Who is responsible for refunding the buyers if buyers demand a refund? If people are holding $50,000 Babe Ruth baseballs and a report comes out, that conclusively proves that those baseballs are forgeries, what happens then? I have discussed this with several very knowledgable people. Their conclusions, based on the pictures that Peter Nash has shown, are that at least three different people signed those baseballs. These opinions are based on pictures of the baseballs obviously not the actual item, but opinions, based on pictures, in this instance do have value. I would also think that such prolific forgers, if Peter Nash is correct, who have proven that they can consistently beat PSA and JSA, have forged many other expensive and historic baseballs too. That is where the big money is.
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12-04-2011, 04:25 PM
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Richard,
Does anybody really believe that there are that many nearly pristine single signed Ruth balls around today?
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12-04-2011, 04:43 PM
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it is extremely likely that a number--possibly even a large number--of those high-end Ruth singles are forged. But every photo that Peter has posted is taken directly from the catalog of a high-end sports auction house--Mastro, Lelands, SCP, REA, Heritage, etc., and these auctions took place over the past 10-15 years or so.
Where have all the knowledgeable people (myself included) been? Why has no one spoken up before this? We all, to some degree or other, have been found wanting. That doesn't speak well for the autograph hobby.
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12-04-2011, 05:12 PM
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Good ol' P.T. Barnum could have made himself a home in this hobby. He must have been thinking of pristine Babe Ruth signed baseballs when he said "there's a sucker born every minute."
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12-04-2011, 05:13 PM
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And all of them use the same authenticators except for Lelands.
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12-04-2011, 05:46 PM
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I'm no autograph expert, but even I was struck by the number of Ruth balls that looked as if they were signed yesterday in major auctions. It made me wonder, but I knew Ruth signed a lot and, as I said just once sentence earlier, I'm not an expert on the subject.
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12-04-2011, 07:47 PM
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12-04-2011, 08:15 PM
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I am interested in seeing the next part of the investigation. One of these balls went for 300k.
They believe in the ball, it's pasted several places on their website, and they used it for the first item certed with the new LOA. ------------------ 'The first item to receive the new LOA is one of the most famous and admired of all sports collectibles, the finest known single-signed Babe Ruth baseball. It is graded PSA/DNA Mint+ 9.5, and is considered the most valuable, single-signed baseball in the hobby.' ------------------ So they are hitching their star to this ball. Last edited by travrosty; 12-04-2011 at 08:20 PM.
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12-05-2011, 05:22 PM
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12-05-2011, 05:51 PM
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The sad thing with these authenticators is it is not just the high dollar stuff, is the lower stuff as well. I bought a signed football card lot from a well known auction house, awhile back and the lot had been ok'd by one of the "respected" authenticators.
When I got the lot and started looking through it it took me no more than two minutes to realize it was LITTERED with bad signatures. For example, there were autographs of Charlie Joiner and Harry Carson where it literally looked like a child was just playing around and writing their name. They looked like whoever did it wasn't even trying to copy those players signatures they were that bad. I am used to getting a small % of bad signatures in autograph lots like this but this was closer to 40 or 50% and that was just the ones I knew for sure. I will say this, this lot was so littered with forgeries that the only conclusion is the authenticator didn't actually look at the lot or they passed them without caring because the auction house is paying them. The auction house allowed me to return them for a refund but I wonder if they held that authentication company accountable for that, especially since they still use said authenticator. Does the auction house just not care because they are getting their cut? These forgeries were so obvious that if they didn't confront the authenticator, I would tend to believe they don't care as long as they get their cut, which is really sad.
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