Was this really an 1890 Players League player cabinet?

[joeadcock]

Mark

Good piece of dective work. I concede when close cropped pictures in way you did and blown up, does not appear to be Daly. Though it is the closest player in likeness. My original inclination toward Daly was due to the composite picture of 1887 Knickers shown above.

Are you able to pull out Daly from that composite and blow up to approximate size and do comparison to the recently sold Cabinet?

Question now arises. If this is not Daly, or anyone else we can identify, might this not be a baseball player at all? Did Steven Studios make cabinets of non athletes? That would certainly seem possible as other studios did this at the time. Perhaps whoever wrote in the caption 1890 Chicago Pirates simply made an error in ID and hence it ended up at auction as a 1800's baseball player cabinet.

[ramram]

As mentioned earlier, I think you have to also look at the fact that the ink does NOT appear to be from the time of the photo. And, yes, the studio would have photographed anybody, not just athletes. A studio would have never survived just selling photos of celebrities.

Rob

[slidekellyslide]

Jonsstats sold this cabinet photo...I don't know if he took it on consignment or if he bought a collection and is liquidating it..that's how he works...anyway another cabinet photo that most likely came from the same collection claimed to have Dummy Hoy in the photo, but surely does not. I think someone pulled a fast one here...found a Stevens cabinet and just labelled it as a ball player.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/1880s-BASEBA...ht_1590wt_1026

[TobaccoKing4]

Originally Posted by ramram

As mentioned earlier, I think you have to also look at the fact that the ink does NOT appear to be from the time of the photo. And, yes, the studio would have photographed anybody, not just athletes. A studio would have never survived just selling photos of celebrities.

Rob

I noticed this too, it looked like it came from a modern ball point pen and I thought I may have even saw some wet ink on it still

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by TobaccoKing4

I noticed this too, it looked like it came from a modern ball point pen and I thought I may have even saw some wet ink on it still

I have bought many items from Jonsstats over the years and he has always been a completely standup guy. I would be very surprised if he had anything to do with "wet ink"

As an example, earlier this year I bought a scored scorecard from an all-star game from him. After receiving the item I discovered that the scoring was from a game other than the all star game. Jon quickly refunded my money and when he later relisted the item, he included the information that I had given him about the actual game that was scored inside in his description.

While it may be argued that nobody should sell a cabinet specifically as a certain person without specific proof, I think we should acknowledge that it is the responsibility of the buyer to know what they are buying. We should also give the seller credit for high quality scans of both the front and the back giving potential buyers far more info than the average "small fuzzy picture auctions" that we are used to on ebay.

I had this auction bookmarked, but my first thoughts when I saw it were "that the ink doesn't seem period on the back" and "how do we know it's a baseball player". I never had a chance to investigate properly, and since it sold for more than my price range, I'm glad that I didn't spend the time doing so.

Both hi bidders look to be experienced ebayers, so I would expect that they were aware of what they purchased.

Those are my thoughts,
Doug

[Jacklitsch]

Here's a Daly looking the same direction:

[ubiqty]

Not to go too far off topic, but I recently inquired about the photo that jonsstats claimed had Dummy Hoy in it. When I inquired, he was very responsive and did end up telling me that someone at Huggins & Scott had told him that Dummy Hoy was in that picture. I ended up deciding not to bother following up from there. Just my 2 cents.

[slidekellyslide]

I found the H&S lot where these cabinets originated.

http://sep11.hugginsandscott.com/cgi...l?itemid=37361

Jocko Milligan cabinet looks legit...Red Ames looks legit...John Clarkson doesn't look right...I'm guessing they think Colcolough is on the Chico, California cabinet?? Not sure what a southern dood from South Carolina who played his ball in Pittsburgh and New York was doing in California?