Ebay Selling Experience...

[iggyman]

Call me naive, but I think you will get the same card back. Looks like a case of a buyer who is over analyzing things and really believes the case has been tampered with (or is just not happy with how the card looks). In my experiences, scammers tend not to be so polite and don't know diddly about third grade grammar. In this case, I believe you will be just fine.

Lovely Day...

[bobbyw8469]

I like the way the card looks. If you have any interest in selling it to me for what the scammer....err...I mean "bidder" paid, then please pm me!! By the way, how much did he pay?

[smtjoy]

I agree big time with Cy, make sure to open it in front of your postal carrier. that way if by chance it was sent back empty then you can go after him for fraud.

I do think its most likely the buyer just wants to return the card, years ago before I decided to have a no questions asked refund policy I used to get odd request like this a lot, and it was just what people were having to say to get an ebay "not as described" return. The funny thing was once I added a return policy I stopped getting these and on top of that my number of returns dropped by a lot, odd but happy about it.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by iggyman

Call me naive, but I think you will get the same card back. Looks like a case of a buyer who is over analyzing things and really believes the case has been tampered with (or is just not happy with how the card looks). In my experiences, scammers tend not to be so polite and don't know diddly about third grade grammar. In this case, I believe you will be just fine.

Lovely Day...

Thanks Iggyman. My primary problem with this was being labeled a criminal by someone on the other side of the country. But yeah, I hope to get the same exact card back. He's been buying PSA graded cards since 10/1/11, so if he's received them, he can simply look at those holders and note the same characteristics on the PSA holders. My better half made a similar comment: he bought the card and is manufacturing an excuse to send it back. The card is VG; it's not a poor weaseled into a 3 holder. And there's nothing wrong with the holder (except it's PSA and not SGC, right?).

Having said that, you're comment does indeed make sense.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Cy and Scott,

Good idea. I would not have thought of that. Thanks

[hangman62]

I get the whole story, ...what bothers me..and I see loads of ebay sellers do this...they somehow select a "standard statement discription " ..that always reads.." Card is Like New, no blemish's, ...blah,blah... problem is ..they are selling a VG Mays or Mantle....Why do they allow that statement to be made....I realize that all you need to do is look at the scan and see its a VG Mays...but that statement should not be inserted on page

RalG

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by hangman62

I get the whole story, ...what bothers me..and I see loads of ebay sellers do this...they somehow select a "standard statement discription " ..that always reads.." Card is Like New, no blemish's, ...blah,blah... problem is ..they are selling a VG Mays or Mantle....Why do they allow that statement to be made....I realize that all you need to do is look at the scan and see its a VG Mays...but that statement should not be inserted on page

RalG

Yeah, I don't know. I guess it's defaulted to "like new" because I never change that. The case was fully intact when it left here. I've already changed my listings to "very good." The PSA case was like new, so I'm not sure what to go by. It's just a mediocre, unfounded excuse for a refund I guess. PSA cases arrive from PSA with the minor unavoidable scratches, and I think I know what he sees as far as frosting because there's some on most PSA cases, no matter how long ago they were slabbed. The glue comment was silly.

[egbeachley]

Condition: Like New: An item that looks as if it was just taken out of shrink wrap. No visible wear, and all facets of the item are flawless and intact. See the seller’s listing for full details and description of any imperfections.

[tbob]

That ebay item description which ebay foisted on all sellers is worthless, idiotic and often totally irrelevant. And yes, it does default to like new or new (I forget which) so if you are listing a PSA 3 card and making sure you get the scan right, the price right and the copy right, you might forget about that annoying condition tab.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

Condition: Like New: An item that looks as if it was just taken out of shrink wrap. No visible wear, and all facets of the item are flawless and intact. See the seller’s listing for full details and description of any imperfections.

Yeah, I definitely understand your point with that, but the guy went above and beyond by claiming the case was tampered with. If it was minor wear, you and I would probably say so what, it's just the case, but I realize that's important to some people. Look at any PSA case close enough and you'll find a blemish.

But point taken. I noticed other people he bought PSA cards from had ---- for the condition. I'll remove that ebay characteristic altogether, never paid attention to it and now realize it's nothing more than a snag. Can't the same thing happen if "---" is listed or "very good?" It's all about articulation, of which the buyer will certainly prevail.

Thanks for the discussion.

[pclpads]

Useful rule of thumb: "the lower the FB rating (27 here), the greater the moron factor you will have to deal with."

[YankeeCollector]

I USUALLY SAY...NO RETURNS ON GRADED CARDS.....AND I THINK U WOULD WIN YOUR PAYPAL CASE AS LONG AS YOU DID SIGNATURE CONFIRMATION ON CARDS OVER $200. You delivered a PSA 3 card. What more can you do? Unless, your scans were deceiving which they dont seem to be.

[Clutch-Hitter]

I mailed it fully insured with signature confirmation, but I do not have "no returns on graded cards" in my listings. Good idea.

Gary, Dave, Dan, Dave F, Jim...thank you for the information. Gary, BTW, I got a little lost on the PSA message boards.

The buyer said (wrote) that he's inexperienced and found information on how to determine if a PSA holder had been tampered with, adding he found such evidence on the holder he questioned. He said he didn't intend to accuse me of tampering with the holder (someone else?). He said he still isn't sure the card is authentic, but he will keep the card and resell it. He read this thread after I messaged him the link and felt I "turned it around on him." The purpose of sending the link, which I did immediately after starting this thread, was to invite him here for a discussion on this topic. I thought the invitation was nothing more than cordial.

Therefore, the buyer has an authentic '33 Goudey Dizzy Dean in VG condition, fully sealed in a PSA 3 holder. The Dean is one of the tougher cards in the set IMO.

And that is where it stands at the moment.

PSA holders will accumulate scratches, even if handled carefully. SGC and Beckett holders are awesome!

I just noticed that one of the top vintage card sellers (and one of my favorites) just bought one of my Goudeys. Great hobby!

[GemMintAuctions]

Originally Posted by YankeeCollector

I USUALLY SAY...NO RETURNS ON GRADED CARDS.....AND I THINK U WOULD WIN YOUR PAYPAL CASE AS LONG AS YOU DID SIGNATURE CONFIRMATION ON CARDS OVER $200. You delivered a PSA 3 card. What more can you do? Unless, your scans were deceiving which they dont seem to be.

This may have been true in the past, but nowadays ebay/paypal is siding with the buyer in even the most ridiculous SNAD disputes. A lightly scratched or frosted PSA case would be more than enough for paypal to grant the buyer a full refund upon receipt of proof that a package was delivered back to the seller (delivery confirmation for items under $250, signature confirmation for items $250 or more).