OT: Two Incredible collapses in one night

barrysloate · #1 10-07-2011, 02:45 PM

If I had to guess whether or not the Yankees will be better or worse in 2012, I would say worse. Sure, they are going to court some high priced free agents in the off season but they will add one or two at most. In the meantime, Posada will retire, Jeter will turn 38, Mariano will turn 42 next month, A-Rod looks shot and his body may in fact be breaking down, Hughes looks shaky at best, Sabathia will not last long if he doesn't get in shape (he does have a healthy arm), and Granderson had a career year which he may not be able to duplicate. And the starting pitching is average at best. This could easily be the beginning of a decline for the team, unless they have a reservoir of talent in the minors, or they can make some incredible free agent acquisitions.

And how much money does A-Rod have left on his contract? I believe over $100 million. That's quite a bit for a player whose productivity is way down.

oldjudge · #2 10-07-2011, 02:52 PM

Barry-The whole Yankee model is that if they are a contender/champion they will draw fans, bring eyeballs to the YES network and sell lots of memorabilia. Arods contract and then some is already paid for out of this projected revenue stream. The only thing that can derail this is if they become less competitive and you have a Mets situation where attendance drops, ticket prices are cut, and you get into a revenue death spiral. They will pay/spend what it takes to stay at the top because if they are not at the top then they are at the bottom, there is no middle for them.

barrysloate · #3 10-07-2011, 03:04 PM

Jay- I understand what you're saying but there are two things going on here. As far as a business model, they are extremely successful. They have the second most valuable franchise in major league sports and an incredible revenue stream. But if they team is falling out of contention late in the season, it's no consolation to the fans that their bills are paid. They want to see a winner on the field, and that is a question mark.

calvindog · #4 10-07-2011, 03:13 PM

Dave, I agree re Swisher.

Jay, I agree that Cliff Lee on this team certainly would have gotten them past Detroit. But a championship? I don't think so.

And Barry, I obviously agree re next year. Too many holes, too much money invested in old, diminishing players. They may be starting a decline. Problem is, who will fill their void? No one else has their money!

chaddurbin · #5 10-07-2011, 03:38 PM

we had the $100,000 infield with the philly a's...will we see a $100 million infield with the yankees?

don't worry yankees fans...if fat cc leaves and you got no pitching just throw 200mil at fat prince fielder and move the rf fence in another 50 feet. problem solved.

oldjudge · #6 10-07-2011, 03:50 PM

Jeff-I meant getting to the ALCS or World Series, not winning it. I would have thought that the Phillies were a lock for that but they are skating on thin ice with the Cards. Carpenter can easily throw a shutout.

yanks12025 · #7 10-07-2011, 04:22 PM

I wasnt wrong about everything. I said we would go top game 5 and we did.

But I think its funny how people are saying Mo will be a problem next year. The guy is 41 and posted a 1.91 ERA with 44 saves. I think those stats wont change too much next year. Jeter still batted in the .290's. With Posada gone, I'm not worried about age that much.

Also i guess you guys dont know that the Yankees have like 3 top starters in the minors almost ready to be brought up.

triwak · #8 10-07-2011, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldjudge

I would have thought that the Phillies were a lock for that but they are skating on thin ice with the Cards. Carpenter can easily throw a shutout.

I hope so! We (St. Louis) are probably gonna need it against Halliday. My nerves are starting to rattle...

Mikehealer · #9 10-07-2011, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Carpenter can easily throw a shutout.

Nice call.

barrysloate · #10 10-08-2011, 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldjudge

Jeff-I meant getting to the ALCS or World Series, not winning it. I would have thought that the Phillies were a lock for that but they are skating on thin ice with the Cards. Carpenter can easily throw a shutout.

You said a mouthful!!

Anthony S. · #11 10-07-2011, 04:16 PM

Prince isn't fat, he's big celled.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

we had the $100,000 infield with the philly a's...will we see a $100 million infield with the yankees?

don't worry yankees fans...if fat cc leaves and you got no pitching just throw 200mil at fat prince fielder and move the rf fence in another 50 feet. problem solved.

celoknob · #12 10-07-2011, 03:11 PM

Per$onally, I don't $u$pect Yankee$ fan$ $hould worry $o much about the team.

De$pite the fact that they are very badly mi$managed, they are able to with$tand making all $orts of $tupid mi$takes and $till compete ju$t by throwing lot$ of $$$ around and eventually doing $omething beneficial to the club.

They can afford to make front office mistake$ that would deve$tate other teams for year$ ju$t by fla$hing more off$ea$on $$$ and eating huge contract$ of aging $tar$. Meanwhile, more than half the other team$ are ju$t lucky if they can keep their young homegrown $tar$ when arbitration/free agency role$ around.

D. Bergin · #13 10-07-2011, 03:01 PM

Everybody's bagging on Swisher like he's a stiff. He may not be clutch in the postseason in the chances he's gotten so far, but he led the team in OBP for the season and played a solid right field.

I don't think it's as easy to replace a guy like that as everybody is suggesting.

He's also a great clubhouse guy. Yea, I know the Sabremetric guys don't think intangibles like that even exist, simply because they can't assign a number to it. I think it has merit.

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