Raising the debt limit?

[teetwoohsix]

Great posts guys- and thanks Leon for letting us talk a little politics on this thread.

I may take a beating on this, hopefully not- but right now I'm liking Ron Paul the most. I have a feeling that anyone other than him will keep us on this downward spiral, left or right. Time for a real "change"- hopefully for the better this time.

Sincerely, Clayton

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

but right now I'm liking Ron Paul the most.

+1

I agree with him on more issues (not all) than any of the candidates I've looked at so far. It'll take someone like him, IMO, to reduce the size of the gov't, if even he can do it.

[vintagetoppsguy]

I like Ron Paul too, but I think my favorite at this point is Herman Cain. I know he's a long shot, but here's a guy that's actually ran a successful business and know what it takes to do so.

I also like Rick Perry. It's hard to overlook him when 37% of the private sector jobs created in the US are in the State of Tejas. Oh, wait a minute, my bad, it was BHO's stimulus that created those jobs (yeah, right!).

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

+1

I agree with him on more issues (not all) than any of the candidates I've looked at so far. It'll take someone like him, IMO, to reduce the size of the gov't, if even he can do it.

+1 also.

Herman Cain seems alright, but I worry about his lack of experience in politics.He seems like a decent guy though, just not sure if he's ready yet. As far as Rick Perry, I still need to do a little more research on him before I decide on how I feel about him. It seems like he's hand picking certain subjects from Ron Paul (i.e. going after the fed.reserve & upholding the constitution) to possibly pull votes away from Paul.......and it worries me that he is the "establishments" GOP choice. A little research will help me, I admit I don't know much about him- just what I've seen since the straw polls ended.

I do think it was pathetic of the mainstream media to downplay Ron Paul coming in a VERY close second in the straw polls, especially when a channel claims they are "fair & balanced".

Sincerely, Clayton

[Leon]

My take on Perry is still, overall positive. One concern with him is from watching him giving either a sermon, or a political speech (I couldn't really tell), to a revivalist type group of 30,000, on one of his stops. As much as I am a Republican by nature, that being to my deceased grandmother's chagrin (sorry grandma), I can't say I want there there to be too close of a relationship between government and politics. It was somewhat disconcerting watching him give that speech/sermon, at least to me. Again, don't get me wrong, I think religion is great for all those who want it, but keep it out of the government. Just my opinion on that one. Ron Paul might have the best ideas, and while I agree with most, a few of them are so way out there, he garners the look that a wacko might. (at least sometimes).

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Leon

My take on Perry is still, overall positive. One concern with him is from watching him giving either a sermon, or a political speech (I couldn't really tell), to a revivalist type group of 30,000, on one of his stops. As much as I am a Republican by nature, that being to my deceased grandmother's chagrin (sorry grandma), I can't say I want there there to be too close of a relationship between government and politics. It was somewhat disconcerting watching him give that speech/sermon, at least to me. Again, don't get me wrong, I think religion is great for all those who want it, but keep it out of the government. Just my opinion on that one. Ron Paul might have the best ideas, and while I agree with most, a few of them are so way out there, he garners the look that a wacko might. (at least sometimes).

Huh? Keep religion out of government? What are you talking about? He had a prayer meeting at Reliant Stadium in Houston a couple of weeks ago, but what does that have to do with anything? I really don't think that was mixing religion and politics. Are you saying politicians can't be religious? That's sure what your post sounds like. If not, what exactly is your point because I don't see what is wrong with what he did?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Huh? Keep religion out of government? What are you talking about? He had a prayer meeting at Reliant Stadium in Houston a couple of weeks ago, but what does that have to do with anything? I really don't think that was mixing religion and politics. Are you saying politicians can't be religious? That's sure what your post sounds like. If not, what exactly is your point because I don't see what is wrong with what he did?

I am saying I think religion and government should be separate. If he wasn't mixing the two then what he did is fine by me. He is free to do whatever he wants to. As for him, or politicians, being religious, that is up to them. I would expect almost all of them to be religious and that is a wonderful thing. No qualms there.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Not trying to argue with you Leon, but you said you found it disconcerting. I'm just curious what you found disconcerting about a prayer meeting held by a politician outside of the political realm?

And, if watching it bothered you, couldn't you have simply flipped the channel?

On a side note, the white house has had a National Day of Prayer since 1952 - it actually goes back furher than that, but that's when Truman signed it into law. Do you object to that?