Johnny Damon -HOF?

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Thanks, I needed a good laugh today.

You're welcome. That didn't mean that the team would've been better without him, but rather that the team would've been better with him at 3rd base, than they were with him simply as a DH. I really think once all things are weighed, they pretty much broke even with him not being able to play the field.. Because for every bit better he was than any DH they could've brought in, they were also that much worse at third base with him DHing..

[ElCabron]

Saying Johnny Damon throws like a girl is an insult to girls everywhere, including my 6-year-old daughter who has a much better arm than him. My 2-year-old, however, may not have have a better arm than Damon for another month or two.

But having the worst arm in centerfield history isn't why he's not a HOFer. Then again, he's not done yet. What if he reaches 3,000 hits AND wins one or two more championships?

Comparisons to Biggio or Raines would only be made by people who weren't around when those guys were playing. If Damon's career ends today he's Al Oliver.

-Ryan

[Kenny Cole]

Ryan,

I disagree. Damon isn't as good as Al Oliver was.

[novakjr]

I'd rather see Raines or Lofton in before Damon. And Lofton is a HUGE stretch. It'll never happen.. 3000 will he hard to argue against though..

[Brendan]

Morris has to be in if Blyleven got in.

I've always marveled at the similarities of the numbers of these three pitchers. One of them is in.
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[novakjr]

Originally Posted by Brendan

Morris has to be in if Blyleven got in.

I've always marveled at the similarities of the numbers of these three pitchers. One of them is in.
Root
Haines
Fitzsimmons

Not Necessarily. Blyleven was way better than Morris.. .59 difference in ERA. Had Blyleven pitched for better teams, he would've easily topped 300 wins, plus his strikeout numbers were incredible. Morris has none of that. The fact that Blyleven fell short of 300 wins is what seems to be confusing people into comparing them, when in fact, there is no comparison..

I'm not trying to diminish Morris. I really do think he belongs in the hall. Just barely. But he was nowhere near as good as Blyleven.

[chaddurbin]

ugh, no morris...ever, please. edgar i can go either way.

lofton...lol.

these hof argument threads...lol x 2.

(larkin...yes trammell=no)

[Brendan]

Originally Posted by novakjr

Not Necessarily. Blyleven was way better than Morris.. .59 difference in ERA. Had Blyleven pitched for better teams, he would've easily topped 300 wins, plus his strikeout numbers were incredible. Morris has none of that. The fact that Blyleven fell short of 300 wins is what seems to be confusing people into comparing them, when in fact, there is no comparison..

I'm not trying to diminish Morris. I really do think he belongs in the hall. Just barely. But he was nowhere near as good as Blyleven.

Many people would disagree with your opinion....

Strikeout numbers were incredible? Who cares? I'll take a popout or a groundout and be happy. Same thing with WHIP...these rotisserie leagues are changing how baseball stats are viewed. It may matter who has more strikeouts and a better WHIP for some rotisserie league, but not for the players or the actual game.