Authentic or Fake? You be the judge

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

There's a big difference between PSA and JSA, and some of the other "authenticators." Sure, PSA and JSA make loads of mistakes, but they are honest mistakes; a number of people working for them just ain't that good.

Yeah but they sure do know how to advertise.

[Big Dave]

....and their biggest advertiser is eBay.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

....and their biggest advertiser is eBay.

ebay and the dealers and auction houses that use them.
But ebay only recommends them, there is a misconception out there that you must use them to post an autograph on ebay.
THAT IS TOTALLY UNTRUE.

[Piedmont Sport]

Sure, PSA and JSA make loads of mistakes, but they are honest mistakes; a number of people working for them just ain't that good. There can't be LOADS of honset mistakes.

Would agree, but ignorance is no excuse. In my real life --- Insurance and Law they take away your licence and remove your practice , Just as they should for many in this field. I cant tell u how many autographs ive purchased from our members that have failed both companies. Which is it - are they good or bad , or really just another answer.
Richard you are correct > over the last 2 months we have sent very little out and have ove 400 items that I would normally have gotten cert'ed. I removed our current EBAY store , and will reopen a corp. one that is only for cert'ed photographs. For our insurance we are required to supply a forensic answer on each item and NO we don't use Moralas. As i stated before i'd rather look for answer's to help all involved. I've met Justin Priddy and have seen him over the last 2 years at the JP ROCK SOLID SHOW - I gave him a handful of items for a test run - at the same time I gave P.A.A.S. aprox. 30 - 40 items on a test run. Each company has treated me fairly and I don't think they are just saying YES they have turned down as many as they have passed almost the same perct. as the big 2 ,,, but we continue our search for an add. company that we feel is a good fit for us. It's difficult to find someone with credentials that are published and not just a company who hires people and signs off on those sigs.

[RichardSimon]

Surprised you would remove your ebay store Frank.
Never heard anyone actually do that.
But you do admit that I was right, but I don't know what you were referring to in my prior post, as being right.
Was I right about you being a hypocrite?
Was I right about the Ruth being a piece of junk?
Was I right about me examining some items for you?
Were you testing me when you sent me items like you tested Priddy and Frost?
I saved all of those items on my computer and just looked at them again, and I know my opinions on them were correct.

[Piedmont Sport]

By the way - ive used a few of the so called PROCLAIMED experts on the forum for certs and they have all failed PSA and JSA 21 items - which we have a file on,,, and for note I had an ABBOTT and COSTELLO signed photo that these forum experts failed ,,, gave it to Justin and he passed it ,, but knew i couldn't realize my price so gave it to JSA and passed - sold it and my buyer and he gave it to PSA passed and was just auctioned off for 18k. The Forum experts told me it was so bad that it looks like a forgery. For accurcey I sold it for 3k ,,,, looks like the jokes on me ,,,, but my point is the auction buyer paid up for the cert ,,,, Richard I don't prefer anyone and I don't ask anyone to pass any item I give them as u know. i'm only looking for the correct answer. I 2 have 25 years of collecting exp. but don't feel it's right for me just to give my company cert and also sell the item > that's a conflict of interest for me > others may think differently. And it's foolish just to say 100% Guarn. return policy - because it's all up to the eyes that view it. For those who do shows were all miffed at the 10 second OK or the QP online --- u can't tell unless the item is in front u and I mean for more then 10 seconds.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Does Justin actually look at this stuff?

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[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Piedmont Sport

By the way - ive used a few of the so called PROCLAIMED experts on the forum for certs and they have all failed PSA and JSA 21 items - which we have a file on,,, and for note I had an ABBOTT and COSTELLO signed photo that these forum experts failed ,,, gave it to Justin and he passed it ,, but knew i couldn't realize my price so gave it to JSA and passed - sold it and my buyer and he gave it to PSA passed and was just auctioned off for 18k. The Forum experts told me it was so bad that it looks like a forgery. For accurcey I sold it for 3k ,,,, looks like the jokes on me ,,,, but my point is the auction buyer paid up for the cert ,,,, Richard I don't prefer anyone and I don't ask anyone to pass any item I give them as u know. i'm only looking for the correct answer. I 2 have 25 years of collecting exp. but don't feel it's right for me just to give my company cert and also sell the item > that's a conflict of interest for me > others may think differently. And it's foolish just to say 100% Guarn. return policy - because it's all up to the eyes that view it. For those who do shows were all miffed at the 10 second OK or the QP online --- u can't tell unless the item is in front u and I mean for more then 10 seconds.

Frank, your post is very hard to decipher.
You seem to be saying that forum experts failed some of your items and then those items were passed by PSA and JSA.
Is that what you are saying? Your meaning is very unclear.
What experts are you talking about?
Are you referring to me?
Are you referring to Kevin Keating?
Are you referring to Reese Yawkley?
If you are I would greatly appreciate seeing those certs you got from PSA or JSA.
I did not examine an Abbott and Costello for you but I know the picture you are referring to.
I would be curious where it sold for $18K because I would like to start sending my Hollywood stuff to an auction company that can get $18K for an Abbott and Costello signed photo.
And you say you are only looking for the correct answer. Well between using PSA, JSA, ACE, myself, Mike Frost, Yawkley and Keating how do you know who is giving you the correct answer when opinions conflict because you submit items to several authenticators in your search for the right answer.

[RichardSimon]

Sorry Justin but my opinion and your opinion differ on that Ruth.

[mr2686]

Looks like it's only the correct answer if someone says the autograph is good and you can realize a return on your investment.

[Piedmont Sport]

i'm not on here to trash people - but i've sent the same items to at 3 experts and try and determine my own thoughts since i'm the one concerned for my clients and my company. and I will not post any failures that JSA or PSA passed ,,,, and u seem to know more then I do Richard. For the record - My trust is at the highest level for many of u,,, and that includes everyone u mentioned - but it's my decision not to let anyone cert my items that also sell,, and I said thats mine and my biz partners decision. And the auction house was Leg. at the national. Also, for the record I would give Kevin Keating any item as he was our choice but his certs say buy and sell. And it's my belief no one knows more about odd sig. then Rhys Yeakley and both guys I would trust with anything > that said > dosen't mean the public knows them. And Richard I have no regrets selling anything u would cert. Understand everyone is playing on a different playing field because of perception because of size of company and advertising. I'm more concerned with the correct answer that I can sell. And i'm not in the biz of bashing. A forum or meeting any place would be great. Rhys texted me letting me know about the Abbott and Costello - I agree somethings sounds crazy.

[Piedmont Sport]

Mike - thats what i'm trying to stop. I'd rather ripe up the item then search for a yes - and YES i'm spending alot of time and money until i'm satisfied with the product i sell. I'm looking for constant anwers on a perc. i can live with as well my insurance coverage.

[Piedmont Sport]

And I never said ACE was the answer. But I know he's not a bad guy. May fall into the not good enough.