Nicholls SC150 649 OP CONTROVERSY

[marcdelpercio]

I do not see this discussion as a personal attack. If ANYBODY...and that means somebody who can't even spell T206 to somebody who has been researching and collecting the set for 50 years...is intentionally promoting false information, they should absolutely be called out on it. The substance of the allegations made seems to be very straightforward. Either Ted (or somebody) owns the cards in question. This was a claim he clearly made on several occasions. If this is the case, it should be very easy to show credible and legitimate evidence of this. Otherwise these cards don't exist and Ted has made deliberately false statements. There really is no other alternative.

I can understand the mixed feelings on some of John's photos and such. I personally think they are hilarious but can see how others would not. The substance remains the same however, and while I see many who are defending Ted or at least saying "enough", conspicuously absent is a response from Ted himself to set this record straight one way or the other.

I am not interested in belittling or attacking anybody. In fact, this is the first "controversial" thread I have ever even posted in. I am VERY interested though in fully supporting the efforts of those who are attempting to accurately research and document this hobby that I have been so passionate about since I was a toddler. I think all can agree that there is far enough shady behavior, misrepresentation, and outright fraud in this hobby that it is especially damaging when somebody who seems to quite publicly wish to combat that is accused of some of those same activities himself. Here's hoping that this issue is resolved quickly and positively and that we all continue in our own small or large way to add good things to this hobby that I love.

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by marcdelpercio

I do not see this discussion as a personal attack. If ANYBODY...and that means somebody who can't even spell T206 to somebody who has been researching and collecting the set for 50 years...is intentionally promoting false information, they should absolutely be called out on it. The substance of the allegations made seems to be very straightforward. Either Ted (or somebody) owns the cards in question. This was a claim he clearly made on several occasions. If this is the case, it should be very easy to show credible and legitimate evidence of this. Otherwise these cards don't exist and Ted has made deliberately false statements. There really is no other alternative.

I can understand the mixed feelings on some of John's photos and such. I personally think they are hilarious but can see how others would not. The substance remains the same however, and while I see many who are defending Ted or at least saying "enough", conspicuously absent is a response from Ted himself to set this record straight one way or the other.

I am not interested in belittling or attacking anybody. In fact, this is the first "controversial" thread I have ever even posted in. I am VERY interested though in fully supporting the efforts of those who are attempting to accurately research and document this hobby that I have been so passionate about since I was a toddler. I think all can agree that there is far enough shady behavior, misrepresentation, and outright fraud in this hobby that it is especially damaging when somebody who seems to quite publicly wish to combat that is accused of some of those same activities himself. Here's hoping that this issue is resolved quickly and positively and that we all continue in our own small or large way to add good things to this hobby that I love.

I agree with this post 100%.

Also, thanks Jantz for those inputs, that is awesome.

Sincerely, Clayton

[usernamealreadytaken]

For some, collecting and appreciating images of baseball players on pre-war tobacco and candy advertisement premiums is a hobby of sorts; a favored pastime for filling idle moments.
For others it has a shade more importance......

[wonkaticket]

Chris, you are right.

It’s 100% a hobby and a pastime for me I get so much enjoyment out of collecting cards that’s why I have done it for the past 25+ years.

In the old days if some guy was telling tall tales it was bad enough but short of a small group or circle the info could be shrugged off and ignored or even quickly corrected. Now in today’s age with thousands of folks clicking thru this site if some person is putting out bad info it needs to be stopped or corrected by both the moderators and the collecting community.

Imagine you’re a new collector starting into this hobby with limited funds and free time. You take a piece of info that you find interesting and start a project say a certain team or player.

You spend all of your money and time chasing a project that can never have an end. Does that person get frustrated and quit the hobby because he could never find that one card…one card that never was real because somebody made it up. Or does that person feel cheated upon finding out it’s not real and feel he picked the wrong project.

I’m disgusted that Ted would do what he has done many folks look up to Ted. For Ted to come on here put up lists to send others down a path they think he accomplished only to find out it’s about half true is ridiculous. As a collectors we should be beside ourselves and make an attempt to correct for future generations.

For a man who fancies himself the scholar what Ted has done makes no sense, to date he shows no remorse or signs of stopping either and the bulk of you are aiding him along with train wreck.

Cheers,

John

[wonkaticket]

October 2010...Still claiming to own or have owned this Nichols.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...light=insights

Post # 8 Abravefan11

“The Sweet Caporal No. 649 set has 34 cards.”

Post #14 Ted Z

“Jim & Tim Sorry to differ with you guys. But, the SWEET CAPORAL 150 Factory #649 sub-set consists of 35 subjects. I put this sub-set together years ago, and there are 35 cards in it. I've sold many of them since.”


This example is not a mistake this is not a human error, this is fraud or dishonesty for those of you who chalk this up to a “mistake” in the case of this Sweet Cap 649 mission accomplished boast and list from Ted Z.

Here we go another example from October 2010 where Ted claims to have the card but actually uses his 35 card not 34 as it should be currently listed set to not only ignore valid debates from fellow collector, but lend credibility to his own theory on the printing process.

Ted says he has an engineering mind and can remember all sorts of front back combos. Yet now he can’t recall a card that he has been caught faking scans of and talking about for years on this forum? The very card that he has told countless collectors privately he owned yet could never produce except in here with the aid of a computer. Now it’s a card he may have imagined back in the day what does that even mean?

Readers should also read the thread and see how condensing Ted was towards Tim C in this thread as Tim tried to have a friendly discussion and provide his points. Note the “You damn well” and other tones.

Cheers,

John

[mdschulze]

Originally Posted by usernamealreadytaken

For some, collecting and appreciating images of baseball players on pre-war tobacco and candy advertisement premiums is a hobby of sorts; a favored pastime for filling idle moments.
For others it has a shade more importance......

Agreed... but I'm obsessive compulsive and I HAVE to finish things I start. In my mind it's painful to know that I'll never own a 206 Wagner or Plank; thus, never completing the set.... ugh!

[danmckee]

The Wagner and Plank can be easily has with money, it is the Doyle NY Nat'l that will keep most from completing the set. The rarest card in the set by far.