Goodwin Auction is open + Peck & Snyder Discussion

[barrysloate]

Gary- the Atlantics was likely the second trade card they issued, in 1868. Cincinnati would have been third. And the Lowells was an 1870 issue.

Jay- as I said, most of what we know about P & S has been pieced together by the experiences of collectors. There is still more to learn I'm sure. One interesting fact is that we do not know who took that photograph of the Reds. I've never even seen a CdV that has the photographer's name.

[oldjudge]

I thought Andy Peck took the picture with his Brownie camera.

[benjulmag]

Jay-A few years ago there was a thread on this issue. As I recall, reference was made to an 1870 P&S advertisement in which the 1870 trade cards (including the Red Stockings) were mentioned as being available. Thus, since that would establish that the Red Stockings trade card was being offered in 1870, and that since colored inks were introduced that year for the Mutuals and the Athletics, it follows that they would also use the colored ink that year for the Red Stockings. As to photo quality, I suspect the black ones you compared the reds to were not of the finest contrast the blacks are known to come in. Either that or you have seen red ones I haven't yet seen.

Gary-I have no recollection of an extant P&S Olympics. There are P&S Athletics and Lowells. The Atlantics is definitely 1868, and I thought the Lowells was 1868 as well.

[GaryPassamonte]

The ad is from 11/25/1871 and lists seven P&S team cards with no mention of the Creighton. The Olympic card is one of the seven listed. Isn't it possible that all seven were issued contemporaneously, with the Creighton an earlier issue. The cards weren't exactly flying off the shelf, since the ad is from late 1871. Reference the 12/1995 VCBC pg. 2.

[barrysloate]

The teams listed in the 1871 ad would have been those available at that time. The Creighton would have been out of print years prior to it. And if they did produce an Olympics then it is likely none has survived.

[barrysloate]

Gary- I just went back to the article you cited only to discover I wrote it! Would you believe I have no memory of it? Well it does confirm the Lowells is an 1868 issue, so my above post needs to be corrected. Boy, do I forget things.

[oldjudge]

Let me show my ignorance-why couldn't the Creighton been issued after the others. Creighton died 10/18/1862. Why couldn't it have been issued for the ten year anniversary of his death?

[GaryPassamonte]

It is odd that all but the Creighton were available in 1871. If the Creighton was "sold out" why is there only one surviving example, while there are multiples of most of the other cards? Could it have come later as Jay points out? Why not?

[barrysloate]

Well the fact is we don't know the date of it, so anything is possible. I saw the verso a really long time ago (probably around 1990) and as I recall the ad for the store seems to be quite a bit less ornate than the ones we are familiar with. It just looks older. That is of course not scientific but we don't know its origin. As far as why only one survived, there may not be a good explanation for that. Maybe it was the first attempt by P & S and it was issued in a very small print run. Who knows?