T206 green portrait Cobb centering....SURVEY....updated

[wonkaticket]

Ted,

Once again leading statement insinuating you have seen 100% of all Green Cobb’s.

A dozen on eBay or even 40 here is not a total sum of a card or collecting market. Contrary to your thoughts Ted the hobby is beyond and has been beyond that of the Net54 members. If you were to poll me on my find of T206’s (1000+ cards) as a kid I would have told you Sweet Cap was the most common as most of them were SC. In my experience that wouldn’t have been false either but it’s not a sum of an issue or the collecting community’s experience.

Take the back survey scarcity list Jim R did. Even Jim stated after years of research that the final list was based on his personal experience. While the list had merit and for the most part was solid once you got to number 15 on the list anything above that could change per collector based upon his or hers collecting experience.

Nobody is challenging that a larger majority of P150 Cobb’s come off center. What I am calling you out on is this arbitrary number that you pull from nowhere and claim as fact. A survey here isn’t going to clear up or prove your statements either.

Unless you pool all Green Cobb’s in a room one can’t make statements like the below unless they add the following prior to the comments below “In my experience”, “from what I have seen” or “In my opinion”.

"Approximately 95 % of the Green Cobb cards that have the PIEDMONT 150 back are off-center as mine is (shown here)."

“I've observed that approx. 95 % of the Green Cobb cards with the PIEDMONT 150 back are off-center to its top border (as my Cobb, shown here).”

Here’s another P150 that is centered more…that’s 2 out of 10 currently right now on eBay not over dozens of year of collecting that’s already more than 5% Ted right now today on the eBay.



http://cgi.ebay.com/T206-Piedmont-Ty...item4aa8412fcb

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-T206-T-206-...item230f26a5f1

http://cgi.ebay.com/T206-PIEDMONT-TY...item1c1a3edef5

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-T206-TY-COB...item33655016ac

Ted I stand behind my comments seen here…

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=134335

You have yet to address them and in your usual self proclaimed T206 expert role and traditional Ted Z bull headed fashion ignore other advanced collectors inputs for pursuit of your own glory. Nobody is saying that these cards are not found OC most of the time. What I am saying is you can’t just go around making educated guesses and presenting them as fact. Just because you believe in a theory or have experienced something as a collector doesn’t mean that is the standard in which all cards fall now under no matter how many times you type it or survey it.

I find all this rather amusing Ted as little as about 5 years ago you were asking Joe P (RIP) what back his Doyle variation had. Now today you're the Net54 T206 expert? Ted I’m telling you this board is going to your head…I still love ya but I can see how folks butt heads with you on these topics.

You really only tend to see your side.

Cheers,

John

P.S. We can debate more over a beer and that sweet AB460 set in Oakes can’t wait to see that. I’ll give you credit an AB460 set certainly puts you up there on T206 hero status has to be a first. Now if we can just get you to not put everything as fact.

[DeanH3]

[Cat]

[Drew]

Ted

no scanner

cobb green sc 150 off center
cobb green sc ?(paper loss) off center

drew

[CW]

While it may be somewhat helpful to start out by looking on eBay, it may
skew your results. Most of those green port. Cobbs on eBay will likely have
been on eBay for some time now, thus being of the "less desirable" variety (ie.
off center, weak corners for the grade, etc). You'd have a hard time finding a
nicely centered card amond the slew of "buy it now" lots that now dominate
that site, regardless of back.

Still, I find this survey interesting, and will jump at every opportunity to post a
scan of one of my cards. This may be the first "centered" Piedmont 150
to take part in this survey, although some may deem it "somewhat centered",
depending on your mood.

[FrankWakefield]

I've not seen 100% of the green Cobb cards. No one has. Not even someone who worked at American Litho, I'd think.

But I have seen a few. And I've had my eyes open and I've been paying some attention to certain old ball cards. It sure seems to me that an unusually high number of green Cobbs have that centering shift. Bunches of them... And even if I've not seen 100% of them, it's still the truth.

And I don't think the eBay cards skew the results. Price is a factor. It isn't just ugly cards that stay on eBay for a long time. Cards with a high price do, relative to what they are, ugly or not. It's about the money.

[CW]

whoops... nevermind thought I had found another one on eBay
that wasn't on the original list.

[jcmtiger]

Heres mine, looks good to me. Piedmont 150 back.

Joe

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

I've not seen 100% of the green Cobb cards. No one has. Not even someone who worked at American Litho, I'd think.

But I have seen a few. And I've had my eyes open and I've been paying some attention to certain old ball cards. It sure seems to me that an unusually high number of green Cobbs have that centering shift. Bunches of them...

Frank agree not saying they are not found more OC than centered. Heck even non P150 Cobb's are OC to the top a lot of the times. But to announce that 95% of all P150's are all OC where does that number even come from?

"jcmtiger" That is the best looking Cobb I have ever seen! Wow thanks for showing, look at the huge borders on that card glad to see one escaped the knife, thanks again for posting.