jake daubert hof

[sayhey24]

You sure are right about the poem.

For Frank Chance, it was obviously in large part about intangibles (probably the biggest one being that darn poem). Leadership must have a played a big role, and certainly leadership should be one quality to be considered when deciding on a Hall of Famer.

The one comparison you didn't make between Chance and Daubert is how they were viewed by the baseball writers who voted on them just 13-15 years after Daubert's career ended.
These are the three years they appeared on the BBWAA ballot together:

1937
Chance 24.4 %
Daubert 1.0 %

1938
Chance 50.8 %
Daubert 0.4 %

1939
Chance 57.7 %
Daubert 0.4 %

Greg

[mr2686]

Sometimes I feel like Baseball writers should be the last people that should have a vote. I mean, how could 23 writers not put Willie Mays on their ballot...you gonna tell me that they all thought he wasn't a first ballot hall of famer)? How about Aaron...9 writers left him off the ballot. I'm honestly surprised that Steve Carlton didn't have to wait to get voted in by the veterans committee. This mystical first ballot hof'er vs a regular hof'er is a bunch of bunk in my book.

[esd10]

Well you cant compare steve carlton to walter johnson or greg maddux to christy mathewson you can speculate as much as you want but we dont know how they would have done in different era's. The reason daubert isnt in the hof when he was fresh in the minds of the voters is he headed the labor movement in baseball and they hated him for it.

[wpeters]

I think that for the most part the writers have done an excellent job in electing players. It is the Veterans Committee that has muddied up the works. Almost every player you think does not belong in the Hall is a Veterans Committee pick.

I must agree that the notion of a first ballot Hall of Famer is silly. A player either is or is not a HOFer no matter when he is elected and no greater honor should be conferred to a first ballot HOFer.

That being said, I would like to see a system where a player is voted on once and that is all. Either he makes it or he doesn't. Of course, that would kill the candidate pool pretty quickly and you would end up having one big class and years of no inductions. So I know that plan will never see the light of day, but a 15 year voting period seems like too long. Sometimes it comes down to who is on the ballot that is the main determining factor on who is elected. A player should not be enshrined just because he is the best player on the ballot.

[rhettyeakley]

I don't think the Chance/Daubert comparison is a great one b/c I think Frank Chance gets quite a bit of HOF credit for his Managerial skills as well--so comparing their statistics isn't going to get you very far. Chance is a valid HOFer but not just based on his stats so there are other players that would probably be a more appropriate comparison.

I think it is interesting that if you do some research on Daubert he was VERY unpopular with the baseball "powers that be" because he was one of the first to try to unionize the players and was the head of the Baseball Players' Fraternity. Ultimately, the players & Daubert were unsuccessful in their efforts at that time but he was a trailblazer and as a result looked at as a troublemaker by the owners and by the writers to a large degree so the voting doesn't really surprise me. In a time when Marvin Miller is getting increased notoriety for his efforts, those that came before him should as well--and Daubert has HOF stats IMO to boot.
-Rhett

[esd10]

very well said.