Insights into probable T206 uncut sheets

[Jantz]

Here is another one Tom.

Willis(with bat) - Wilhelm(with bat)

I've seen one other, but its on a website and I can't pull the scan.


Jantz

[cfc1909]

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[E93]

The green Cobb was printed on top of another green Cobb. I believe Jeff L. has one.
JimB

[tedzan]

Nice offset card of Willis/Wilhelm. Thanks for posting this card.


I've seen a similar offset card of Chance (yellow portrait) with a hint of Cobb (red portrait) to the right of it.
This card is partially suggestive of the 6 super-prints having been printed together.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Four years ago I started this adventure of completing an All-SOVEREIGN set. I completed this set of 402 different cards in just 11 months.
It was a great feeling....but, it wasn't enough. I continued to build a "master set" of SOVEREIGN cards. This included the Six "super-prints"
with the rare SOVEREIGN 460 backs. And, searching for the SOVEREIGN 350 counterparts of the cards in the 150 Series. Not any easy task,
by any means, as I knew there would be those tricky SOVEREIGN No-Prints to deal with.
In my quest to achieve a master set (it is almost accomplished), besides the "elusive nine" **, I have identified the following 48 subjects in
the 150/350 series that are SOVEREIGN 350 No-Prints.

Ball (New York)
Beaumont
Bowerman
Bransfield
Chase (portrait-pink)
Chesbro
F. Clarke (bat)
JJ Clarke (Cleveland)
Cobb (portrait-green)
Conroy (fielding)
Coveleski
H. Davis (A's)
Delehanty (Washington)
Doolin
Durham
Evers (portrait)
Gibson
Gilbert
Hahn
Hemphill
Herzog (New York)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Jordan (portrait)
Keeler (portrait)
Killian (pitching)
Konetchy (glove high)
Lajoie (throwing)
Lake (New York)
Leach (portrait)
Lobert
Marquard (hands down)
McIntyre (Brooklyn)
McQuillan (ball in hand)
Overall (portrait)
Owen
Pastorius
Ritchey
Rucker (portrait)
Schlei (catching)
Schmidt (throwing)
Shaw (St Louis)
Spencer
Steinfeldt (portrait)
L. Tannehill
Tinker (portrait)
Wagner (bat on left)
Wilhelm (hands at chest)
Williams

Once again the number "48" has popped up. It's become a repetitive factor in the make-up of the T206 series. In this case....a sheet of T206's
that were never printed with the SOVEREIGN 350 backs.


** Note....The "elusive nine" are 150/350 subjects that were printed with the normal 5 (or 6) brands as 150 series cards. They are very rarely
found with a PIEDMONT 350 back, or an EPDG back. Furthermore, these 9 cards do not exist with any other 350 backs. They are:

Dahlen (Boston)
Ewing
Ganley
T. Jones (St Louis)
Karger
Lindaman
Lundgren (Cubs)
Mullin (throwing)
Schulte (front view)



TED Z

[jimonym]

Jantz,

I can confirm the backs on the following:

6. Atz - Hoffman - Piedmont 350
7. Hoblitzell - Stephens - Piedmont 350
8. Abbaticchio(Brown) - Cicotte - Piedmont 350
14. McElveen - Dygert - Piedmont 350

And I also own a McGlynn - Jones (Detroit) - Sweet Caporal 350/30


Tom,
I'd love to see a scan of your Engle/Phillippe. The only one I've seen is this one:

[cfc1909]

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=fyi+sovereign

post #9



As requested by several of you, here is the list of cards in the 150/350 Series
that are only SOVEREIGN 150 cards......

To date, these 58 subjects are SOVEREIGN 350 "no-prints"

Ball (New York)
Beaumont
Bergen (bat)
Bowerman
Bransfield
Chase (pink portrait)
Chesbro
F. Clarke (portrait)
JJ Clarke
Cobb (green portrait)
Conroy (fielding)
Covaleski
Crandall (no cap)
Dahlen (Boston)
H. Davis
Delehanty (Washington)
Doolin
L. Doyle (throwing)
Evers (portrait)
Ewing
Ganley
Gibson
Gilbert
Hahn
Hemphill
Herzog (New York)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
T. Jones (St Louis)
Karger
Keeler (portrait)
Killian (throw)
Konetchy (glove high)
Lajoie (throwing)
Lake (New York)
Leach (portrait)
Lindaman
Lobert
Lumley
Marquard (hands/side)
McIntyre (Brooklyn)
McQuillan (ball in hand)
Mullin (horiz)
Overall (portrait)
Owen
Pastorius
Powell
Ritchey
Rucker (portrait)
Shaw (St Louis)
Spencer
Steinfeldt (portrait)
L Tannehill (Chicago)
Tinker (portrait)
Waddell (portrait)
Wagner (bat/left)
Doc White (portrait)
Wilhelm (hands/chest)
Williams



TED Z

[cfc1909]

Four years ago I started this adventure of completing an All-SOVEREIGN set. I completed this set of 402 different cards in just 11 months.
It was a great feeling....but, it wasn't enough. I then embarked on a "master set" of SOVEREIGN cards. This included the Six "super-prints"
with the rare SOVEREIGN 460 backs. And, searching for the SOVEREIGN 350 counterparts of the cards in the 150 Series. Not any easy task,
by any means, as I knew there would be those tricky SOVEREIGN No-Prints to deal with.
In my quest to achieve this master set (it's almost accomplished now), besides the "elusive nine" **, I have identified the following 48 sub-
jects in the 150/350 series that are SOVEREIGN 350 No-Prints.

Ball (New York)
Beaumont
Bowerman
Bransfield
Chase (portrait-pink)
Chesbro
F. Clarke (bat)
JJ Clarke (Cleveland)
Cobb (portrait-green)
Conroy (fielding)
Coveleski
H. Davis (A's)
Delehanty (Washington)
Doolin
Durham
Evers (portrait)
Gilbert
Hahn
Hemphill
Herzog (New York)
Hinchman (Cleveland)
Jordan (portrait)
Keeler (portrait)
Killian (pitching)
Konetchy (glove high)
Lajoie (throwing)
Lake (New York)
Leach (portrait)
Lobert
Marquard (hands down)
McIntyre (Brooklyn))
McQuillan (ball in hand)
Overall (portrait)
Owen
Pastorius
Ritchey
Rucker (portrait)
Schlei (catching)
Schmidt (throwing)
Shaw (St Louis)
Spencer
Steinfeldt (portrait)
L. Tannehill
Tinker (portrait)
Wagner (bat on left)
Doc White (portrait)
Wilhelm (hands at chest)
Williams

Once again the number "48" pops up....it's become a repetitive factor that makes no sense to ignore in the make-up of the T206 series.


** Note....These are nine 150/350 subjects are very rarely found with PIEDMONT 350 backs (and no other 350 backs). They are:

Dahlen (Boston)
Ewing
Ganley
Tom Jones
Karger
Lindaman
Lundgren (Cubs)
Mullin (throwing)
Schulte (front view)



TED Z
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[cfc1909]

to be clear post 47 and post 48 I copied exact from Ted Z.

[yoyot1]

Originally Posted by jimonym

Tom,
I'd love to see a scan of your Engle/Phillippe. The only one I've seen is this one:

That's the same one I've seen - don't own it myself.

Tom

[tedzan]

Sorry, but I don't understand your point ?

My old list includes what was then the "elusive 8"....and, 2 subjects (that have since been found with SOVERIGN 350 backs).
Therefore, there are 58 cards listed.

The list of 48 cards, that I have posted here in this thread, has been updated. And, as is obvious, the old "elusive 8" are not
included.


TED Z

[cfc1909]

Ted

I didn't have a point-both posts were yours.

Also Doc White ( on your most recent list of 48) exists with Sovereign 350

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...cago-79662085#

[frohme]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Sorry, but I don't understand your point ?

My old list includes what was then the "elusive 8"....and, 2 subjects (that have since been found with SOVERIGN 350 backs).
Therefore, there are 58 cards listed.
[...]


TED Z

Hi Ted,

Just to confirm - Gibson is one of the two now confirmed with Sovereign 350? Had not seen one and know its been on your "no-print" list for a while but noticed it not in the most recent.

Many thanks.
--
Mike

[Matt]

Originally Posted by tedzan

In my quest to achieve this master set (it's almost accomplished now), besides the "elusive nine" **, I have identified the following 48 subjects in the 150/350 series that are SOVEREIGN 350 No-Prints
....
Once again the number "48" pops up....it's become a repetitive factor that makes no sense to ignore in the make-up of the T206 series.

Just to be clear, you're suggesting that 48 cards that were NOT printed with a particular back is supporting proof that the press used to print the cards printed them in sheets of 48?