Revisiting the T206 Wagner "strip"

tedzan · #1 08-19-2010, 07:19 AM

Regarding your........
" It's very interesting that Bowerman was an old friend of Wagner's. That would be an excellent way to get Honus
to agree to let them use his picture. If an old friend agreed to do it, he might too. "

This is conjecture on my part. However, if this strip was cobbled together to persuade Wagner to grant the Rights
to portray him....then as I have said, I can understand why "Three finger" Brown, Johnny Kling, and CYoung are on
this strip with Wagner. But, why Frank Bowerman ?

Best regards,

TED Z

Leon · #2 08-19-2010, 08:17 AM

Nice work Ted. I am not really a "T206" guy but this piece is a mystery and sounds like it's going to still have some mystique surrounding it. Thanks for sharing your observations. I too agree, no need to mention other folks that saw it. If you say they are long time hobbyists and know what they are looking at, then that is good by me. take care and thanks again. So far no mouth guard needed

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judsonhamlin · #3 08-19-2010, 09:00 AM

Have any of the other cards that are on that strip been found o/c enough that the neighboring card is visible? If so, do the images match?

T2069bk · #4 08-19-2010, 09:24 AM

Why does Bowerman not have a team desgnation or a colored collar in the strip... (I was thinking that when I saw the pics from timzcardz in the National Pic thread, and figured why not ask now).

Also, maybe the ATC really liked him...I remember reading a thread about him being in their advertising in Sporting life.

jimonym · #5 08-19-2010, 12:33 PM

Thanks for starting this thread, Ted. I too spent several minutes closely examing the strip in Baltimore. Aside from the color differences already mentioned (on Young and Bowerman), a close look also shows that the ink color used for the name and team info and used to frame the image portion of the cards is quite clearly black, and not the dark brown that was used for all series of regular production. Based on these things and the overall look of the thing, I walked away convinced that the strip is undeniably cool but that it doesn't derive from the general production of T206 cards.

E93 · #6 08-19-2010, 02:20 PM

I also viewed the strip at the National under a loupe. Ted and I discussed this at the show and we disagree. It seemed clear to me that the lines between cards were printed. I do not believe separate cards were pasted onto the strip. In my opinion, it was a test run. This particular one was sent to Wagner to try to entice him to sign on with the project by showing him how good they looked. Meanwhile, I think that back at ALC, they looked at what was potentially a final product and decided to make some further changes after the sample sent to Wagner. Color changes were made to some cards in what would be final production decisions.

In my opinion, it does not make sense that they would cut cards off a sheet and then paste them back together. If it was sent to Wagner to impress him and convince him to sign on, why not just send him cut up cards? Why paste them back onto a sheet? I think they just cut a strip off of a sheet in the place that included Wagner's own image. They included a few others adjacent to his to give him a better sense of the set as a whole. It was close enough to a final production stage that the changes that might be made later (like adding color) would be relatively inconsequential in terms of giving Wagner a sense of what the cards would look like in general.

Of course this is speculation, but it is based on quite a bit of information and a close inspection of the piece under a 10X loupe at the National. Sometimes Ted and I disagree and I mean no disrespect. I know that Mark Macrae had similar questions as Ted when we talked at the National. Good, honest, knowledgable people can disagree.
JimB

E93 · #7 08-19-2010, 02:22 PM

I will also add that even if they were cut off different sheets and pasted together on a strip to send to Wagner, that would not affect the importance or value of this piece in slightest IMHO.
JimB

Matt · #8 08-19-2010, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E93

I also viewed the strip at the National under a loupe. Ted and I discussed this at the show and we disagree. It seemed clear to me that the lines between cards were printed. I do not believe separate cards were pasted onto the strip.

Somehow you didn't make it into Ted's post where he spoke of the universal consensus of the hobby experts he spoke with at the show.

teetwoohsix · #9 08-19-2010, 02:26 PM

I guess my questions must've came across wrong about this strip, so I'll try again.........

I am confused about the "making" of the strip. When I imagine them pasting the fronts on to the strip (am I understanding this right?) it seems as though this strip would be "thicker" than a normal T206. This is why I asked about the thickness........

As far as the "paste" itself, what did they use as paste back then? Would it hold up this well 100 years later?

It just seems like it would've been easier to print the strip on one solid piece of paper than to painstakenly paste each subject's fronts together.

Sincerely, Clayton

JimB you were posting while I was trying to figure out a way to ask questions without coming across as "attacking".......but what you said makes the most sense to me.

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