PSA Hates Me....and I'm not too fond in return

[JP]

Well, to clear up any questions...

They both got PSA 1s. Yes, the top has some light creases, but eye appeal should count for something! The Old Mill is PERFECTLY centered and has no paper loss. How can it be a 1 while other cards that look like they've been crapped out of a dog can receive a 1?

In this particular instance, the grade doesn't affect me much as it isn't for a registry or any competition. These are for my back set. And since the Cycle 460 and Res Hindu I bought were both in PSA holders already, that is why I decided to get these PSA encapsulated. I use the submission service less and less each year.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by JP

They both got PSA 1s. Yes, the top has some light creases, but eye appeal should count for something!

Well, that's your issue - grading systems currently do not take "eye appeal" into account, other then the half grade bumps PSA offers. Whether that's how it should be or not is a topic of discussion, but that's how it is.

[JP]

Either way, creases considered, it's a 3 to me.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by JP

Either way, creases considered, it's a 3 to me.

With the creases (and the one through his eyeballs) I would rate it a 2 to 2.5. With that many spider veins I wouldn't give it a 3. But that is just me. Still a very nice card with nice eye appeal. As Matt stated, eye appeal generally doesn't go into a grade. I think SGC does take it into account when they look at the totality of the grade. In other words if they are about to give a card a 1, but then look at it and say "this just can't be a one, even though it has those issues", then I think they will make it a 1.5 or 2. I know that is not objective, but to me, it's the right way to do it. Also, I am not positive SGC does this but I think they do. regards

[t206hound]

From the back scan of the Old Mill, I can make out at least four distinct creases/wrinkles. I can't imagine a card with more than one very faint crease getting a 3. That said, the 1 is a pretty harsh grade based on the visual presentation. I'm definitely surprised it didn't get bumped up at least half a grade.

Originally Posted by JP

Either way, creases considered, it's a 3 to me.

[barrysloate]

To me it is counterintuitive to not consider eye appeal in a grade. After all, shouldn't a card's grade have something to do with what it looks like?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

To me it is counterintuitive to not consider eye appeal in a grade. After all, shouldn't a card's grade have something to do with what it looks like?

Didn't we just discuss this like 2 weeks ago? Does "something to do with what it looks like" mean "everything about what it looks like" It depends on the purpose of the grading system...yadda yadda yadda

[chaddurbin]

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

To me it is counterintuitive to not consider eye appeal in a grade. After all, shouldn't a card's grade have something to do with what it looks like?

How many times have we seen the description, "presents much better than the technical grade"?

[t206hound]

After reading PSAs standard, I find it hard to believe the card didn't receive a two (again, unless it was something beyond the creasing that yielded the one) which allows for multiple creases.

VG 3: Very Good.
A PSA VG 3 card reveals some rounding of the corners, though not extreme. Some surface wear will be apparent, along with possible light scuffing or light scratches. Focus may be somewhat off-register and edges may exhibit noticeable wear. Much, but not all, of the card's original gloss will be lost. Borders may be somewhat yellowed and/or discolored. A crease may be visible. Printing defects are possible. Slight stain may show on obverse and wax staining on reverse may be more prominent. Centering must be 90/10 or better on the front and back.

GOOD 2: Good.
A PSA Good 2 card's corners show accelerated rounding and surface wear is starting to become obvious. A good card may have scratching, scuffing, light staining, or chipping of enamel on obverse. There may be several creases. Original gloss may be completely absent. Card may show considerable discoloration. Centering must be 90/10 or better on the front and back.

PR 1: Poor.
A PSA Poor 1 will exhibit many of the same qualities of a PSA Fair 1.5 but the defects may have advanced to such a serious stage that the eye-appeal of the card has nearly vanished in its entirety. A Poor card may be missing one or two small pieces, exhibit major creasing that nearly breaks through all the layers of cardboard or it may contain extreme discoloration or dirtiness throughout that may make it difficult to identify the issue or content of the card on either the front or back. A card of this nature may also show noticeable warping or another type of destructive defect.

Originally Posted by t206hound

From the back scan of the Old Mill, I can make out at least four distinct creases/wrinkles. I can't imagine a card with more than one very faint crease getting a 3. That said, the 1 is a pretty harsh grade based on the visual presentation. I'm definitely surprised it didn't get bumped up at least half a grade.

[bobbyw8469]

When I first got into the graded card game, this is one of the ones I sent in. PSA gave it a '1' due to one sole crease across the front. I thought it looked WAY better than the bottom of the rung. However, I have learned to accept that any card with a "major" flaw, will more than likely get the '1' slot....

[barrysloate]

Eye appeal is subjective, no question about it. But so is grading. Why not look at the total picture? Seems reasonable to me.

[T206Collector]

3PG is needed for the nicer O'Leary. If it gets a 1, you now know that it has some serious wrinkles that are hard to see in a scan.

3PG is only needed for the beat up O'Leary to certify authenticity and no card doctoring.