Question regarding OLD JUDGE & GOODWIN cards' sources ?

[tedzan]

I've read thru most of the recent Old Judge & Goodwin book by Jay Miller, Joe Gonsowski and Richard Masson
and, perhaps I missed it....but, couldn't find any info regarding foreign finds of these late 19th Century cards.

Perhaps, Jay Miller will chime in on this topic.


TED Z

[tedzan]

One more try to elicit some more inputs here.


TED Z

[D. Bergin]

The Brits always took better care of their cards then us. In the 1990's I was buying up tons of 1920's-30's sports and non-sports sets from England and they were almost always absolutely pristine.

When we were putting our cards in bicycle spokes and playing flippsies or knockdowns, they were either putting them in the custom albums that were produced for many of the sets, or wrapping them in wax paper and putting them away.

[GasHouseGang]

I agree with Mr. Bergin. Those in the UK have simply been card collectors since the beginning. They kept EVERYTHING. I saw and bought many sets that were from the 1930's that looked untouched. I once went to a collectors house in Edinburgh, Scotland. He had been selling cigarette cards at a small show in town. He invited me to see more of what he had at his house and I bought several beautiful sets. I asked him if he had any baseball cards. He said he had his fathers old collection, but none were for sale. I asked if I could see them anyway. He brought out several Old Judge cards and some Turkey Reds, plus other tobacco cards. I wish I could give details, but I wasn't even into the old cards at the time, and I was just mesmerized. But they were definately baseball. He mentioned that his father collected for years, and he wasn't sure where these came from. Were they distributed in Scotland? Could he have been doing overseas trading? Anything is possible.

[rhettyeakley]

DR and Ted, I don't think the TM or no TM has anything to do w/ foreign or domestic distribution as I just picked up a group of 11 N162's all w/ varying degrees of back damage (*shameless plug alert* they are on ebay now so you can see scans there if you want) and they all appear to have come from the same source scrapbook. From this lower grade grouping of 11 I can see at least a spot of the TM on 5, no TM present on 3, and 3 have damage right over that area so you can't tell. So I wouldn't imagine a vintage collection having both types present if one was strictly foreign distribution.

-Rhett

[tedzan]

The TM on the back of the N162's is independent of where these cards were marketed. In 1991, I traveled
to New Hampshire to acquire an original set of N162's. Stamped on the back of all 50 cards (in small letters)
were the original collector's name and Danvers, Mass. Apparently, these cards were collected in 1888, and
were handed down thru the family over the years. The interesting fact about this intact collection is.....19
cards have the TM, while 31 cards do not have the TM.


TED Z