Please Explain the Pete Rose Rookie to Me

[ichieh]

speaking of crossing over, how is your experience with crossing a high value card to PSA? Will they be biased and refuse to cross over to a psa holder because it's in SGC holder?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ichieh

speaking of crossing over, how is your experience with crossing a high value card to PSA? Will they be biased and refuse to cross over to a psa holder because it's in SGC holder?

Yes.

[ichieh]

Peter_Spaeth
I absolutely agree that the price of a pop 1 card is often artificially driven, rather than market driven. Most of the time, this type of card falls into the hand of collectors (rather than investors) and may never appear in the market again. Just think, when the last time that you saw a 1952 Mickey Mantle PSA 10, since Tom Candiatti sold the card in private transaction few years ago. I have to disagree with you on your other notion. I think that if you put this card in the mix among other 9's, most of the professionals would still be able to pick it out as a sgc 98 or psa 10). I agree that the label is for those who are not trained to grade cards and help the industry to standardize grading. They may not be right 100% of the time, but based on my experience, they are correct most of the time.

[Peter_Spaeth]

MJ maybe but on the other hand I know a guy who used to deal in large quantities of Jordan rookies and it was essentially a game for him cracking out 9s to resubmit and getting a certain percentage into 10s -- or just asking for bumps at the Parsippany show. I dare you to crack yours out and resubmit it if you are so confident.

[barrysloate]

I don't think the professionals could distinguish a 9 from a 10 with any great level of consistency. That's my take.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I agree with Barry. I think for the most part it's essentially arbitrary.

[ichieh]

barrysloate
if what you were saying was true, then the industry is in big trouble. A friend of mine used to work for a small grading company similar to CSA, PRO etc. He told me the way they grade cards (by the way, my friend receive no formal training in grading, and he only has a high school diploma) they would scan the card and then enlarge it on a computer, then measure the centering, pick up any print marks, etc. They have a point system, and certain points were given for each category and the sum would then translate into a grading scale of 1-10. Not sure how SGC or PSA people grade the cards, and would like to find out.

[ichieh]

if you look at the photos on the other sgc 96 rose cards on ebay (two of them available), you can clearly see that the centering from left to right are not 50/50, more like 65/45. Then compare the centering on the SGC 98, it's dead on center 50/50. I don't claim myself to be an expert in grading, and even i can see that difference.

[ChiefBenderForever]

It's all relative, many cards are undergraded by a couple grades and many are over graded by a couple grades. You could crack your Rose out and send it to psa and it could come back an 8, 9, 10, or even worse evidence of trimming you just never know. Your best bet is to go to a show and try to get it crossed in person, if they say no dice try to bribe the grader a couple grand and see what happens.